Local conservative activists prepare for violent confrontation with Islam

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Tom Jones (left) gave a presentation on "Islamization of America," but his audience was already familiar with the material. (photo by Jordan Green)

A consortium of tea partiers, patriot groups and other conservative activists gathered in a private dining room at a seafood restaurant in Kernersville on Thursday evening for a presentation on a supposed Muslim plot to conquer the United States.

The 20 or so people who attended the meeting at Captain Tom’s Seafood needed little convincing from presenter Tom Jones, who soldiered through frequent interruptions about supposed Muslim treachery paired with testimonials about preparedness for violent confrontation and even expressions of readiness to kill Muslims.

“Do you have any recommendations as to how we could stop this?” asked Frank del Valle, a Winston-Salem resident whose Facebook page identifies him as a retired federal employee and native of Cuba, near the end of the hourlong presentation. “Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them.”

Del Valle’s outburst spurred a variety of responses from the group.

Robert Goodwill, who identified himself as a member of the national security advocacy group Act for America, took an optimistic tack with the recent election of Donald Trump, adding, “We’re on our way.”

Another man, who did not identify himself, said, “I want to start doing something instead of talking about it all the time.” He added, “I’m in a group. I’m not going to tell you what group I’m in.”

“Talking is going to start the conversation,” Jones insisted. “We all have to find a way to proceed. This is my way of contributing.”

Del Valle said his views on Islam have been shaped by his longstanding opposition to the Castro regime in Cuba.

“I’m the kind of guy — my country was lost to the communists,” he said. “For a long time I saw how they achieved that. And the Muslims are doing the exact same thing. So I am very aware of that. I have been talking about that for a long time.”

Frank del Valle in 2014 (courtesy photo)

Goodwill continued to try to talk del Valle down, arguing that the tide is turning.

“Political correctness is being thrown away,” he said. “A lot of people are meeting like this. We’re making progress in the positive direction.” He argued for supporting reformers in the Muslim faith, adding, “We need to talk about how we can get things done peacefully. Be ready for the worst.”

“I am beyond that point,” del Valle replied. “I’m ready to start taking people out.”

“I can understand that,” Goodwill said. “But we’re not there yet.”

Earlier in the presentation, del Valle quipped, “Shed some blood, too,” in response to Jones’ call to “shed some light” on the Muslim Brotherhood.

Del Valle declined a request for an interview to clarify his comments late Friday.

A percussionist, del Valle is a founding member of West End Mambo, a renowned Latin jazz and dance group based in Winston-Salem, but is no longer listed as an official member of the group.

“I’ve known Frank for a long time, but it’s always about music,” said Cesar Oviedo, West End Mambo’s musical director and arranger. “I never engaged with him in any political conversations. I can see that he sympathizes with right-wing stuff on Facebook.”

Del Valle’s comments about “killing the hell” out of Muslims were preceded by a warning from Jones about that the true danger to the United States is not necessarily al-Qaida, ISIS and other outwardly extremist groups that carry out spectacular acts of violence that garner widespread media coverage. People should be more concerned about Muslims who appear to be moderate and integrated into American society, he said.

The focus of his presentation centered on the Muslim Brotherhood, a culturally conservative organization founded in Egypt in 1928 that has established branches throughout the Middle East and North Africa, with members also emigrating to Europe and the United States. One of the leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood’s international organization, known as the Tanzeem, an Egyptian named Youssef Nada, established a bank that was accused of financing al-Qaida by the US Treasury. The focal point of suspicion against the organization is the discovery during a 2001 police raid in Switzerland of a 1982 document known as “The Project,” which was the subject of 2012 documentary by the same name produced by conservative media personality Glenn Beck.

“Some commentators have portrayed this document as evidence of the Brotherhood’s sinister project to take over the Western world,” Alison Pargeter, an expert in North Africa and the Middle East, wrote in her book The Muslim Brotherhood: The Burden of Tradition.

The 12 points in the document include the pledges: “To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement, and “To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at the local level.”

Pargeter wrote, “In spite of the allegations, this document is a fairly mundane wish list and would appear to be largely an expression of intent that reflects the ambitions and optimism of the time.”

The author told Triad City Beat in an email: “For my part, this document has been completely overblown and the idea that the [Muslim Brotherhood] has some sort of plan to Islamicize and take over the West is ridiculous in the extreme.”

Reading from notes on a yellow legal pad in the dining hall at Captain Tom’s, Tom Jones outlined a set of charges that wove mundane day-to-day happenstance with unsubstantiated claims about Muslim subversion of the American court system.

“The Muslim Brotherhood is behind all that terrorism and violent acts, but they’re also here operating in America in a very stealthy mode,” he said. “They’ve infiltrated the judiciary. They have judges that are elected to the bench. These judges are expected to make rulings from the bench here in America according to sharia law even though it’s not a sharia court. If you’ve got a Muslim judge he’s required to try you under sharia law. These people are in high positions of influence often behind the scenes in government, academia, medicine, the media. How many of you have been to a hospital and seen the doctors that are running around in the hospital?”

“Yeah,” one of the guests at Captain Tom’s Seafood replied. “They’re not American.”

“These people start Islamic organizations,” Jones continued. “They build mosques. They build Islamic schools. They work with the progressive left in this country to advance their own agenda. And the progressive left like Obama and Hillary Clinton and that ilk, they’re all tied into this Brotherhood stuff. The Brotherhood helps them and they help the Brotherhood.”

Midway through his talk about so-called “cultural jihad” or “stealth jihad,” Jones was interrupted by a cascade of commentary from the group.

“I don’t know if everyone knows this, but the person who organized the Women’s March is Muslim — believes in sharia law,” said Robert Watkins, a former North Carolina field director for the Koch brothers-backed Americans For Prosperity who is active with the evangelical voter mobilization group Faith and Freedom Coalition, according to his Facebook page. Linda Sarsour, one of the organizers of the Women’s March who is Muslim, spoke on the same night during a panel discussion at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem.

“All those women who showed up in DC who appear to be mainstream and supported her, raved about how she’s so great don’t realize that she’s the same one who agrees with sharia law and will be person who stands beside ’em and also the same person who slices their neck,” Watkins said.

Watkins went on to mention US Rep. Keith Ellison, the first Muslim member of US Congress who is a candidate to lead the Democratic National Committee.

“He is trying to assimilate others to the culture,” Watkins said. “That’s what Keith Ellison is doing. That’s why he didn’t take an Arabic name.”

An unidentified man in the audience chimed in: “Just as an aside, Keith Ellison’s brother is the chair of the Forsyth County Democratic Party.”

“Wow!” another man exclaimed. “Are you serious?”

“It’s here,” Jones said. “It’s in this town.”

Eric Ellison, the local Democratic Party chair, said on Friday that he wasn’t surprised to learn there was a group in the local area that was so violently opposed to Islam.

“It’s a little bit scary that they speak of violence and committing murder in open forums,” he said. “I guess we realize that terrorists come in all forms and fashions.”

During his presentation, Tom Jones made assertions about “training centers” operated by the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States since the early 1980s digressed into an open discussion about mosques in Winston-Salem and the surrounding area, including Annoor Islamic Center in Clemmons.

“They’re already operating a madrassah there,” Jones said. “That all happened under the radar. The way I understand that that mosque happened is they had an American guy, a white guy buy that property. It was supposed to be a church. Guess what? He sold it to some Muslims to build a mosque there. Now they’re operating a madrassah.”

Another guest, who is unidentified, noted that there is a mosque on Waughtown Street in Winston-Salem, referencing the Community Mosque of Winston-Salem.

“There’s mosques being built all over the place,” Jones said, attempting to get the presentation back on track. “We’ve got to keep our eye on them.”

While del Valle was the only person at the meeting who explicitly advocated violence, others emphasized preparedness.

Elizabeth Hawkins, who attended the meeting with her husband, Mike, said they don’t call themselves a “militia,” but rather “patriots” or “preppers.” The Hawkins and other members in Yadkin County had previously conducted firearms training twice a month, but are now down to one day a month. They also operate ham radios and are interested in learning to sew up wounds. Hawkins also said her group vets prospective members before allowing them to join.

“We continue to prepare ourselves,” Hawkins said. “Even though things have kind of smoothed out with Trump, I still think we’re headed for a big fallout with the money issue.”

Jones repeatedly chided the audience to get serious.

“I don’t know how you say ‘deep doo-doo’ in Arabic, but we’re in it,” Jones concluded. “We’re in deep doo-doo, ya’ll. This is serious stuff. This is not games. These people do not play. If I put a gun to your head and ask you what you believe, you may not be able to tell, but I guarantee you these people can tell you what they believe.”

Del Valle had a ready reply: “I’ll shoot ’em before they can ask me.”

UPDATE: Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, says the organization “will be issuing a call for a state and federal probe of the calls to violence.” (Saturday, Feb. 18, 10:21 a.m.)

Full audio of a presentation by Tom Jones on “Islamicizing America” at Captain Tom’s Seafood in Kernersville, Feb. 16, 2017 (1 hour 10 minutes 2 seconds)

Chronology:

9:39 — Discussion about Rep. Keith Ellison

10:10 — “Just as an aside, Keith Ellison’s brother is the chair of the Forsyth County Democratic Party”

30:35 — “We could not have this meeting if Hillary were elected.”

30:57 — Discussion about former CIA Director John Brennan

32:41 — Discussion about how supposedly Barack Obama can lie without shame

33:07 — “… the person who organized the Women’s March is Muslim…”

37:56 — Additional discussion about Rep. Ellison

48:48 — “We all know that Obama’s Muslim…”

51:11 — “Shed some blood, too.”

55:43 — Discussion about Annoor Islamic Center in Clemmons

57:31 — Discussion about Community Mosque of Winston-Salem

58:00 — Discussion about Nation of Islam

1:01:57 — “The Muslim Brotherhood is behind all that terrorism and violent acts…”

1:03:26 — “Do you have any recommendations as to how we can stop this?”

1:03:48 — Discussion about Rep. Virginia Foxx’s son in law

1:04:15 — “I want to start doing something instead of talking about it all the time.”

1:04:33 — “I am beyond that point.”

1:09:04 — “I don’t know how you say ‘deep doo-doo’ in Arabic…”

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  • Lynn Byrd

    I’m sorry you had to write this piece, Jordan. I’m also grateful you wrote it. You ventured into a hate-filled filled room and exposed the haters. That, my friend, is an act of courage. Thank you!

  • EJone

    And not a single fact was presented during the whole meeting. Nothing but slander and character assassination.

    • The same substance expressed in the majority of comments in this thread.

  • Trixie Corvus

    My god, it must be exhausting to go through life so pants-crappingly afraid of everything and everyone who isn’t exactly like you. If our boys who fought in WWII had known what a bunch of whiny-assed pansies their children would turn out to be, they’d have castrated themselves right there on the beaches of Normandy.

    • blackbart

      If they had known that their sacrifice to stop a totalitarian and genocidal movement would have been in vain because their children would have been willfully blind and would spread out a welcome mat to another totalitarian and genocidal political movement, they would be sick to their stomachs, but they would have done what was right and killed some Nazi’s.

      • chris n

        only people fighting nazis are the black bloc

        trump is an aspiring autocrat surrounded by internet nazis who masturbate to anime

        • blackbart

          You reveal more about yourself with that comment than anyone else my lonely friend. I’ll pray for you, as you clearly could benefit from some divine help. Jesus lives you.

  • Bri

    These people are insane and need help. Where does one start addressing these beliefs that have no foundation in reality?

    • blackbart

      Oh yeah, you’re right. 911 didn’t happen. ISIS isn’t real. There is no movement for a world-wide caliphate and Iran didn’t just test a missile for carrying a nuclear payload.
      Gay people weren’t recently gunned down in Atlanta by a pro-muslim guy.

      You’re right….there is no foundation in reality.

      Wait, here’s a list that proves your point…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8c2d5f26f852007a34812bc413f71fac9cc1dd5bf334c87370b1607db6d27ead.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2be4f5fc1e34a83cf6c1601f23b91973a61b6d0cb1c6a098bee4e3f3220851a2.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9808939fc2c0fa3c6498dc6601a93a46d4373b1cd5713cdff5b578957b30a9e.png
      .

      • livingluster

        You’re getting your mass shootings mixed up. The shooting in Atlanta was done by a white man at a black church. A white man was also responsible for the mass shooting in a movie theater in Colorado. A white man was responsible for the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary. A white man was responsible for the mass shooting involving Sen. Giffords in Arizona. A white man was responsible for blowing up a federal building in Oklahoma City. But yeah, those brown outsiders, that’s who we should be afraid of.

        • blackbart

          Correction….Orlando, not Atlanta. Yes it did happen.

          James Homes….a mentally disturbed individual who had been obsessed with killing for over a decade…possibly suffering schizophrenia. Yeah, he was your Colorado theater killer. Yeah, he was white….and what does that have to do with it? He didn’t target blacks, so you can’t assume he was racially motivated.

          Dylann Roof….mentally disturbed child of divorce who abused drugs….just an accident waiting to happen. Yes, he was white…and? Sure, he was an acknowledged racist, but his victims were also Christians, so he could have also harbored some anti-religious views as well.

          Adam Lanza…..another mentally ill individual, possible sufferer of schizophrenia killed kids of all color…not racial motivated, even though he was white…..and?

          Jared Loughner….Kathy Giffords shooter…..possibly mentally unstable atheist whose politics were radical hard left at the time of the shooting….yes, he was also white, but so was Giffords……so what?

          Ok, these four mentally unstable guys killed 47 people….for a variety of their own, twisted personal reasonings.

          Now, did you look a the list of deaths at the hands of radical islamists in America since 1972?

          By my count: approx. 3016 dead

          All motivated by a barbaric political/religious philosophy….radical Islam.

          47 to 3016….but of course there is no foundation in fact for being concerned at all…..

          By the way doofus, you are the one trying to interject race to strengthen your weak argument and make it about racism rather than a political/religious philosophy that directs its adherents to commit violent acts of murder.

          • joebags

            I think it just goes to show that white men by nature are mentally unbalanced and prone to violence. (And I’m sure some of them are good people.) Maybe we need a registry. Just to be safe. Better safe than what happened in Sweden.

          • blackbart

            Sweden? You mean the epidemic of rapes being committed by Muslim immigrants?

            I’ve a better idea. Don’t invite animals inside your home.

          • blackbart

            Sweden? You mean the epidemic of rapes being committed by Muslim immigrants?

            I’ve a better idea. Don’t invite animals inside your home.

          • Greek Orthodox Christian

            Animals? Over 40 million WHITE CHRISTIANS and JEWS murdered each other in Europe in a 30 year period using 20th century technology.

          • Search for Muquaddimah, open the pdf file to page 197 and read through 199. Get a clue or two!

          • joebags

            Citing a triumph of Islamic scholarship as a source on the supposedly backward savagery of that same group is obtuse to the point of being both funny and sad.

            Here’s an idea–read the whole thing and then do some research on this Islamic historian and his contributions in 1377 to the foundational ideas on which the study of history is conducted TO THIS DAY.

            And then after you’ve done that, you can get a clue or two about the contributions Islamic mathematicians made to the modern world when they created algebra (which I’m sure a person of your obvious intellect studied diligently.) Or how about the work of the Islamic philosophical and mathematical genius al-Khwārizmī who pioneered the modern idea of the algorithm (the word itself is a latinization of the man’s name) which is the first, basic theoretical concept on which the very machine I’m now typing functions.

            And, finally, I recommend “Holy War, Martyrdom, and Terror: Christianity, Violence, and the West” by Phillipe Buc and published by the University of Pennsylvania Press for a little flavor of the sort of atrocities all the upright followers of “The Prince of Peace” seemed to think are no big deal.

          • The so called contributions of Islam were plundered from conquered people. They preserved Greek and Indian discoveries but burned the library at Alexandria.

            Islam is all about the money: fei, ganimah and jizya. Open the fourth volume of Sahih Bukhari to page 108 and learn how Moe got his income. Be sure to read the footnote.

            Open your Qur’an to Surah Al Anfal and read 8.1, 8.41 and 8.67. To whom do the spoils belong and what was Moe’s prime motivator? In Sahih Bukhari, read the book of Khumus. What was Moe’s worst fear?

            If you still need a clue, read Moe’s letter to the rulers of Ayala, found in Ibn Sa’d. In that Letter, Moe explains his intention to conquer the city.

          • joebags

            The Muslim destruction of the library was a story told 500 years after the fact, possibly as a way for Saladin to excuse his own plundering of conquered libraries. The only (near) contemporaneous accounts of sacking of the libraries in Alexandria were by Julius Caesar (accidentally) in 48 B.C. and the Emperor Aurelian in the late 3rd century AD. The job was possibly completed by Pope Theophilious to keep the pagans down. (Those Christians, they sure do prize learning.)

            And yes, the only reason we even know anything about a lot of Classical sciences and philosophy was because it was preserved by the Muslims. Good thing too–medieval Christians were way to busy making up stories about their magical zombie and his father, the wizard form outer space to care about such useless book stuff. Algebra, as a symbolic general system for solving general problems is an Islamic development based on knowledge that was lost to Christians because it wasn’t Jesus-y enough. The first techniques for solving quadratic and cubic equations are definitely Islamic.
            So please, piss off with your copy and pasting of everything that comes up when you Google search “brietbart why mooslims bad.” Get an actual education, instead.

          • The only knowledge prized by Muslims is knowledge of the Islamic texts, primarily the Qur’an and hadith.

            The fact remains that Moe contrived Islam for his personal emolument through conquest.

            Moe knew what the Arabs wanted and promised it to them as a reward for Jihad, to be delivered after they got killed. Try reading Citizen Warrior’s “Terrifying Brilliance Of Islam”.

          • joebags

            Oh, sure, a Breitbart Self-Published Title Featured Selection of the Month. Didn’t think you could get more pathetic and yet….

          • Your projection is obvious. Your inability to contest the facts speaks volumes.

          • joebags

            I presented many many instances of Islamic contributions to world history. The best you’ve come up with is a pamphlet and the repeated assertion that Muslim bad-internet say so. Goodnight, snowflake, you poor half wit.

          • Islam has contributed nothing but perpetual war, genocide & terrorism. Paleologus knew his subject matter.

          • Polish your projection lamp and lens, your tactic is too obvious.

            “By their fruits you shall know them.”. The fruits of Islam are pillage and rivers of blood; heaps of bones.

            Doubters, dissenters & Deniers: Review the TOC of. “The Life Of Muhammad”.

          • joebags

            Aw, you used to be fun but now you’ve just descended into terrified gibberish.

          • When trapped in a debate without facts and logic, resort to name calling. The labels you apply to me belong on you. Leftwingers project, its what they do.

          • joebags

            Yawn.

          • Thanks for confirming the obvious.

          • chris n

            yeah dylan roof targeted his victims because they were christians

            it’s fair to view more than a billion people worldwide as a monolith of terrorists, but unfair to call dylan roof a white supremacist

            the things you repulsive, twisted freaks actually believe are indistinguishable from trolling

            beyond that the overriding theme is that white men, irrespective of their motivations, are responsible for the majority of mass violence in this country

          • blackbart

            Your assertion is not fact based. Show me any valid stats that ‘white men’ are ‘responsible for the majority of mass violence in this country’. I’ve already provided A comprehensive list of murders motivated by the religious/political ideology of Islam and the body count by far surpasses that of the 4 aforementioned mentally disturbed, drug abusing lone wolf actors that no one champions. Try basing your condescending judgements in fact, not your hatred of white people.

          • Instead of pontificating from the pillar of ignorance, you should learn about Islam from its canonical texts. As it stands, you know nothing about it that is true.

            The Koran and Sahih Bukhari have been translated to English and uploaded to the internet archive along with many other texts. Read them and read “The Book Of Jihad” At Crusader’s Armory, you will find two embeded pdf files displaying important pages from Islamic law, read those, too and get a clue.

          • Islam is economic, not political. Moe got his living by his spear. He collected the top twenty percent of ganimah, all of the fei and all of the Jizya resulting from raids and terrorism before he died in 632.

            Driven out of Mekkah, he migrated to Yathrib which he subverted and called Medina. There he built an army and began razia on camel caravans returning from Syria to Mekkah. H soon graduated to threatening and extorting neighboring Jewish settlements and regional kings.

            See his “letter to the rulers of Aqaba” for a real eye opener!

          • joebags

            Counter point: 1 Samuel 15:2-3, Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18

          • Irrelevant! Old testament conquest imperatives were limited to particular places, peoples and times. With one exception, they were defensive, not offensive.

            In every case, Islam’s persistent evil stands by itself, undiminished by what others have done.

          • joebags

            Don’t know your Bible much do you? None of those verses cited above are defensive. They are the story of an army slaughtering every living thing they came across because their God said the land belonged to them and not the people already living there. And God really REALLY digs on the destruction.

          • Try reading the context! Only the conquest of Caanan was offensive. The rest attacked the Jews first.

            No possible sophistry can convert argumentum Tu-Quoque from a logical fallacy to a valid defense.

        • Skin pigment is irrelevant. Ideology is relevant. “Allahu Akbar” is what they recite when slaughtering hadi for eid. It is also what they shout when attacking. Muslims sacrifice people to Satan. You obviously approve of and support that.

      • Frank Heidt

        And what’s your answer to that litany? Arming yourself against your fellow American’s? Holding meetings where we casually speak of murder? I’ve read everything you’ve written on this thread. You wear your fear like a badge of honor. It is not.

        “We will not walk in fear, one of another. We will not be driven by fear into an age of unreason, if we dig deep in our history and our doctrine, and remember that we are not descended from fearful men — not from men who feared to write, to speak, to associate and to defend causes that were, for the moment, unpopular.”

        – Edward R. Morrow

        • blackbart

          Being aware of a possible danger, especially with so much supporting evidence, isn’t unfounded fear. It’s called living in reality. When you aren’t high you might try it.

          • mike holt

            Hey.. Talking to these morons is like beating your head against the wall.. hope nothing happens but the bible is true and has not and will not be disproved.. They don’t understand not everyone wants to grab arms and sing combya. They evidently refuse to watch the news and think it can t come here. I’m not as good with words as they are I’m just a simple man with my eyes wide open. Glad to see someone with spunk.

        • 49 dead Queers would still be alive if Omar Mateen’s father had been denied admission to this country. 14 social workers would be alive if Sayed Farook’s parents 7 Bide had been kept out.

    • blackbart

      Islamic terrorists don’t want help, so I’m afraid there’s not much we can do..

      • They want to Meet Allah and gain admission to his celestial orgy by being martyred, so our military services can help them get what they want most. That is a task for the military, not private citizens.

  • Clifford Ishii

    If you can’t get a gun to defend yourselves consider a Jo staff as an alternative.

  • whosonfirst

    Sounds like a homegrown terrorist group in the making. Pretty close to conspiracy if the reporting is accurate.

  • DustonBarto

    Wow, what a bunch of terrorists.
    The FBI would be crawling up their backsides if they were muslims saying the same kind of stuff.

  • Some innocent people, Muslim or otherwise, are going to get murdered because of shit like this. And Trump just directed the FBI to worry less about white right-wing nutjob terror and more about “radical Islamic terror” even though the former is the predominant kind in this country.

    • Agent Michael Scarn

      And even though their have 3 separate right-wing domestic terrorist incidents since he took office. Not that you would know since they weren’t brown people.

      • blackbart

        Feel free to elucidate…

  • UserName

    This is the kind of bigotry and assholishness that makes an entire city look bad. City leaders need to condemn this little militia, or else they’ll get lumped in with the bigots, making the city a magnet for every whacko within a 500-mile radius, meanwhile normal people will avoid the area like a plague.

    • Your comment exemplifies
      AssWholliness. Informed opposition to Islam is not bigotry, it is common sense.

  • Agent Michael Scarn

    Remember when the GOP wasn’t filled with fearful little cowards? From actual war heroes like George H.W. Bush and Bob Dole to a draft dodging Party leader afraid of his own orange shadow. Grand Old Pussies should be the new name.

    • Frank Heidt

      Thank God someone said it! Cowards. They are cowards!

      • blackbart

        And yet when the greatest generation finally recogognized that the Nazis were a serious threat that needed to be stopped they weren’t considered cowards.

        • Michael

          Now the Nazis have their man in the White House.

          • We need closed primaries and caucuses so that LibTards can not select our nominee.

          • Michael

            You are blaming 45 on liberals? Ha. The party of “personal responsibility” never actually takes any.

          • Trump could not win the primaries without cross over votes.

      • At least Chump has the fortitude to fight back and call out lying ‘crats & media. Unlike useless RINOs including McConnel, Ryan & McCain.

        If we picked our own nominee instead of letting your ilk intervene, Senator Cruz would be President.

  • Deuce Prez

    I agree with doing away with political correctness!

    But the imbeciles involved in the above meeting (and any who agree with these Islamaphobes ) have also chosen that simply being correct be damned !!

    Nothing that they stated about Islam and/or Muslims is true and, based on their statements to said topic, they’re as ignorant as hell!!

    • blackbart

      Oh, and what is true about Muslims? Please defend your pov because I’m calling bullshit. Respectfully.

      • Search for and read “Islam 101 For Clergy & Congregants”, Read each of the pdf files therein linked. Or see most of them embedded in “Islam 101 for Politicians”. Give particular attention to “What’s Wrong With Islam & Muslims?”. [“Allah Is Not God”, “Islam Is Demonic” & “The Defamation Of Jesus Christ” are not included in the page for politicians.]

    • What do you actually know about Islam? Have you read the Koran & sahih hadith collections? Have you delved into Islamic law? Try downloading and reading “The Book Of Jihad” its in the internet archive. Read the ayat referenced in the foot notes.

  • icecreamjones

    “Conservative Activists” the word is Terrorists

    • blackbart

      Hmmm…..one guy, in a meeting, calls for defensive actions against what he perceives as a violently aggressive group and you are ready to scream ‘terrorist’.

      But…..hundreds of black-garbed thugs rioting in the street and physically attacking people who seem to have a different political belief than them…..well, they’re are solid citizens with a little social activism …..really?

      Get a grip. The real terrorists are in your camp.

      • joebags

        Urging the indiscriminate killing of people based on their religion is AT LEAST advocating terrorism. All these black barbed garbed thugs you saw, did that happen in Sweden by any chance ?

        • Ramtamtam **still nasty**

          He means the blac block (or people who claim to be) who show up as a sideshow at some protests. They usually don’t have anything to do with the main protests but the more conservative media focuses on them as representative to discredit the whole movement.

          • blackbart

            Why don’t you (or anyone on the left) repudiate the ‘black bloc’, unless you are in agreement with their actions?

      • AtheistPilgrim

        Real terrorists like the three Republican men in Kansas who were planning to blow up vehicles around an apartment building lived in by Somali refugees then shoot every man, woman, and child inside?

      • chris n

        no, stupid, expressing a wish to kill muslims is not a call for ‘defensive action’

        the black bloc represents a very small fraction of the opposition to trump. i support them, and support violence against avowed white supremacists. but most ‘liberals’ don’t

        you are a vile racist subhuman

        • blackbart

          Oh my, you’ve really hurted my feels…you’ve certainly got the moral high ground there.

          Yes, lets go for the ad hominem attack…when we can’t actually formulate a valid argument.

          And while I don’t agree with the Cuban-American immigrant who made the pro-violence comments, you have to understand the horror of Castros Cuba that he escaped from and how that informs his fears. Yeah, he has been a victim of a violent political movement, which is what Radical Islam is.

          • mike holt

            Hey is Chris n saying he thinks violence is ok against Trump because he disagrees with him but a hate crime and people should be thrown in jail for prepping to defend themselves from muslims?

        • Obviously an expert opinion, being one yourself ;)

      • randman21

        The fact that they didn’t kick him out immediately tells me that they are terrorists, or at least terrorist sympathizers. Also, the other guy said “I understand that, but we’re not there yet.” YET. He’s for killing random Muslims, just waiting for a more advantageous time.

  • Haydee Thompson

    Jordan, Your tongue must be sore from biting it! I would not been able to contain myself and probably would have flipped a table five minutes in! It must have been hard being there but I am so thankful you captured this madness and hopefully will shed light onto a very dark piece of our community and squash it!

  • AGoodQuestion

    One small correction: Keith Ellison is not the only Muslim member of Congress. Indiana Rep. Andre Carson is Muslim too. Otherwise a fine, if disturbing, article.

    • Mark Coonan

      Yes he is. I knew his grandmother, Julia Carson, back when she was a state senator in the Indiana General Assembly.

  • Mark Duwe

    If everyone in America were Muslim, this would still be the same country. We are defined by our constitution and the good hearts of the citizens,…and if you think you know what’s in another’s heart, you better back the ‘f’ up.

    • blackbart

      Oh yeah? prove it.

    • Islam requires imposition of shari’ah: Allah’s law derived from the Koran & hadith as opposed to man made law derived from legislative consensus.

      • jerryp

        what so-called Christian nation had its President lie and attacked Iraq

  • CletusBeauregard

    Wow, there’s some rowdy people living in Winston-Salem’s nursing homes. Hope they don’t have access to the nursing home’s group-home-wagon keys.

    • A concerned onlooker

      Got emmmmm ??????

  • fournaught

    I hope these people’s paranoid delusions don’t lead to them assaulting or killing anyone.

  • Ramtamtam **still nasty**

    Just when the POTUS decided we shouldn’t include white extremists in antiterror surveillance and measures anymore…

  • chris n

    del valle is fascist scum

    his parents probably were, too, in batista’s cuba

  • Chris Johnson

    I’m embarrassed to call these idiotic, hate filled loons my neighbors.

  • ConPatriot1234

    We do need to acknowledge the threat that Islam poses to freedom and Islam’s alliance with subversive movements. Americans need to wake up.

    • disqus_vlt9fC7YKE

      The threat that “violent insane radicals who just happen to be Islamic” poses to freedom…would probably be a more rational view. And before you spew the whole, “Islam is a manipulative religion that demands violence blah blah blah” I know, i get it. There are plenty of other religions that spawn violence from it’s follower too. Take for instance, a group of christians eating dinner in a seafood restaurant literally talking about going out and murdering people who are brown and follow a different religion.

      • blackbart

        Try and not conflate racism, religion and politics into some amalgam of motive…you are the one bringing race into the discussion. Btw, middle-easterners are by an large caucasians…so, not a racial isssue.

        • Man’s Ruin

          Wow, that’s one hell of a Justification Shuffle ya got there, comrade.

      • Bill Delamar

        Yes, there are radicalized Christian terrorists.

      • In which New Testament Red Letter Edition book chapter and verse did Jesus Christ issue imperatives functionally equivalent to those in this list?

        3:151, 8:12,39,57,60,65,67, 9:5,29,38, 39, 111,120,123, 33:26,27,
        47:4,49:15, 59:2,13, 61:10-13; Sahih Bukhari 1.7.331 &
        4.52.220. Allegories , metaphors & parables do not cut the mustard: exhibit commands!!!

        • Andy

          Jesus isn’t real, or if he was, he’s dead, so who cares? FFS- dump all superstitions and claw your way up to the modern world.

          • Muslims believe, enough of them believed to conquer half the then known world in the seventh century. Their empire stretched between the borders of China and France. Pakistan has nukes and Iran is working on them. The Ayatollahs, being twelver Shia, will use them without hesitation or remorse.

        • jerryp

          Revelation says God/Jesus will kill all non-believers

          • The difference between ‘God will get you’ and ‘we will get you for God’ seems to escape you.

          • jerryp

            No, the outcome if God gets you is complete. No one will get all of us for god.

          • If they can mate nukes with ICBMs they might come might close to it.

            They ran out of time and energy when trying to eradicate Hindues.

          • jerryp

            Just go to the woods and hide and do not bother us with your fake fears

          • Tell that to the 49 victims of the Pulse Massacre.

          • jerryp

            The President of the USA lies and 10,000 of our best for no reason in Iraq. 100,000 innocents die there because of the lie. I telling you to go to the woods-you will not be missed. All your kind do is make things worse.

          • Shrub sacrificed thousands of young Americans to the PC demon. He should have sent nukes, not men.

          • jerryp

            He sacrificed them for the demon that guided him and it was not PC. It was to those who hate Muslims so much they would suggest nukes.

          • Old Harry knew how to win a war, saving an estimated million lives in the process.

            Shrub did not set out to win, he did not even identify the enemy. Worse yet, he lied about the identity and nature of the enemy.

            The keys to victory against Muslims have been handed to us by Brig. S.K. Malik in a Pakistani strategy manual named “The Quranic Concept Of War” on page 60. They can not be defeated without dstroying their Iman entirely. While they believe, they will always regroup, rearm and renew their Jihad.

    • AndYet…

      Since most of the violence committed in the United States is committed by US citizens, largely white men, perhaps we need to acknowledge the threat that white men pose to our country.

      • blackbart

        Uhhhh, prove it. Cites please.

        • Man’s Ruin

          FBI Uniform Crime stats, genius. You need a citation to prove that most crime in this nation is committed by US citizens? Thinking is difficult for you, clearly.

        • SDLKJ

          let’s see – KKK, neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc….

          • How many Amerans were slaughtered by KKK members in 2016? How does that compare to the number slaughtered by Muslims?

        • jerryp

          I guess you make people on the right and left prove it.

      • ConPatriot1234

        LOLOLOL. Do you live in the same planet as the rest of us?

    • Mike Barnes

      There are more cells within the United States with terrorist potential that claim to be Christian, then there are Muslim terrorists operating in this country. Rather than wake up, perhaps you should READ UP!

      • blackbart

        Uh, prove it.

        • chris n

          do your own research, you scumbag troll

          • Pamela Beurman

            Why is it that those making these outlandish claims can never seem or be bothered to prove them? I suppose you’re unable to, right?

          • Research Shikh Gilani & Islamville.

        • subandubene

          Well, there seems to be a cell meeting at the Captain Tom’s in Kernersville, NC.

        • jerryp

          see FBI

      • ConPatriot1234

        LOL. Christian terrorism is an oxymoron.

    • blackbart

      Thank you… the only sane commentator on this thread.

      • SDLKJ

        Do you even have the intelligence to read and comprehend the US Constitution?

        • jerryp

          what makes you think you comprehend the Constitution?

          • SDLKJ

            30+ years of Constitutional LAW and litigation experience.
            Try your ignorance and stupidity again, moron.

      • DeWitt Vargas

        So you admit that you’re insane.
        No shit Sherlock….

    • chris n

      more concerned with the threat posed to freedom by trump and the racists he’s emboldened, whether they’re calling in bomb threats to synagogues, taking green cards, or serving as attorney general

      • ConPatriot1234

        When an SJW gets caught for this stuff, you guys will be so embarrased!

    • SDLKJ

      and white morons like this, and you, aren’t a threat as well?
      Do you even have the intelligence to read and comprehend the US Constitution?

      • jerryp

        Reading the constitution and comprehending are two different things-see the Bible

        • SDLKJ

          Then please advise us ALL of just WHEN your religion, or ANY religion for that matter, became the law over that of the totally secular US Constitution in this country.

          • jerryp

            Not my point- people who read the Bible usually do not comprehend it. Most can read and believe they can comprehend-based on their terms

          • SDLKJ

            In that, you are absolutely correct. And the point is, their religion isn’t and never will be the law in this country, regardless of what they believe or demand.

      • ConPatriot1234

        lol

        • SDLKJ

          Yep – I was right – you don’t have the intelligence to read/comprehend the US Constitution.

          SO very typical of uneducated morons like you

    • EIR

      So does christianity but something tells me you’re none too concerned about the threat to freedoms it poses.

      • ConPatriot1234

        Christianity and Liberty are inseparable. If by “freedom” you mean killing babies, stealing others’ money and unlimited government, then yes, Christianity is a threat to phony “freedom.” Otherwise, Christ GIVES freedom!

        • EIR

          >Christianity and Liberty are inseparable

          Quit the opposite. Our liberal founding fathers knew the dangers of religion mixed with government since they witnessed first hand, the oppression of the church. Thus why they ensured that we have a wall of separation built into our Constitution.

          >If by “freedom” you mean killing babies,

          The only babies I know of that are dying are from christians. Did you know that many states exempt chrisitans from prosicution if they choose to pray over their child rather than take them to a doctor and they die?

          >stealing others’ money

          Which is religions biggest scam. I wonder how much good they could do if they actually used all that money they take in from tax-payer subsidized offerings instead of building elaborate churches and littering our interstates with crosses and statues to Jebus.

          >Christianity is a threat to phony “freedom.”

          Christianity is no different then Islam when it comes to freedom. It has historically been the persecutors which is why our liberal founding fathers ensure we wouldn’t have to be enslaved to it.

          > Otherwise, Christ GIVES freedom!

          Christianity is slavery to an mythology. No different than any other myth. Nothing more.

          • ConPatriot1234

            I only read your first line but it was so absurd I stopped there. The reason the founders created the first amendment was to protect the established churches of the majority of states from federal interference. LOL. If you don’t know such basic history, you can’t have a conversation, sorry. Come back after opening some history books please.

    • So we need to protect our freedoms by imposing only the will of our religious majority on everyone else?
      Sounds so…sharia.

      • ConPatriot1234

        Problems with reading comprehension?

  • Minyassa

    Law enforcement had better do something about these people. This is terrorism in the making, and even as a non-Muslim resident of the Triad, I feel incredibly unsafe knowing that there are people like this that have made murderous intentions known that aren’t locked up. Whatever happened to “communicating threats” being a crime? These folks are clearly nutters that lean toward violence. PLEASE lock them the hell up before they murder people.

    • blackbart

      When William Ayers goes to jail, you can start rounding up everyone else…how ’bout that?

      • Minyassa

        Or how about law enforcement not fuck up going after people by using illegal tactics, and do it right so that the bad guys don’t get away? Just because one terrorist weasels out of things doesn’t mean others should.

      • SDLKJ

        and what has a 60s radical got to do with the total ignorance and bigotry of this group of morons?

        • xboxershorts

          Nothing, actually. It’s just a deflection.

        • If you have not read and the Qur’an & Sahih Bukhari you are ignorant. If you did not understand them, you are a Moron. If you will not read them, probably both.

          • jerryp

            99% of the people who read the Bible do not understand the Bible-that does not mean they are ignorant
            You seem to be the only Moron in this string

          • Jesus taught with parables to avoid being stoned and to provoke thought. Bible commentaries are available.

            Moe issued clear commands which are to be believed in and obeyed. Classical Arabic lacked vowels and diacritical marks in the seventh century, so the muschafs are unreadable. That is why Muslims need tafsirs.

  • AndYet…

    These people are insane! Hey there conspiracy theory bigots: there are over 2 billion Muslims in the world. If they wanted you dead, you would already be dead.

    There were Muslims in the United States at the founding of this country. There are Muslims of every race who are born here, emigrate here, who convert here, who serve in the military, who are Republicans, who are Democrats, who are your neighbors and friends.

    Y’all need to take your violent, anti-American rhetoric and shut the hell up.

    • blackbart

      I never heard of any Muslims here at the founding of the country…who told you that, Howard Zinn?

      • chris n

        you’re ignorant and stupid, so there are a lot of true things you’ve never heard

        • And many you have not read, including this from J.Q. Adams: In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the
          lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers
          of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and
          the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger
          from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive
          portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the
          Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected
          indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his
          prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the
          faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled
          it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion
          to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of
          human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the
          female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared
          undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion,
          against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS
          VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN
          NATURE [Adam’s capital letters]….Between these two religions, thus
          contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has
          already raged. The war is yet flagrant…While the merciless and
          dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human
          action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men.[68]

          Look it up at Wikiislam, there is more where that came from.

          • jerryp

            You are the problem and not the solution

          • Your comment is a classic example of projection.

      • Sean O

        Maybe not at the founding itself, but one of the formative documents is the Treaty of Tripoli, worth a read.

        • The English version or the Arabic version?

      • SDLKJ

        Muslims have been in this country LONG before it was founded.

      • You do not know your history. Jefferson explicitly mentioned Mohammedans (their word for Muslims) as a good reason for freedom of religion.

        • Jefferson bought a Koran translation to learn about his enemy. So did J.Q. Adams, who was extremely critical of Islam. Jefferson foolishly included Islam in the Virginia Statute of Religious Liberty, likely his worst mistake.

          Islam is an Arab Mafia disguised as a religion.

    • Look up what John Quincy Adams wrote about Muslims. Go to Wikipedia and look up the First Barbary War, see how Sidi explained raids on our shipping to Thomas Jefferson. Compare that to what the Muslim general told the Persian general in Sahih Bukhari 4.53.386 then read 1.8.387 and Surah At-Taubah 9.5, 9.14, 9.29, 9.120 & 9.123. Of course you won’t because you know it all.

      • jerryp

        Go to Revelation and see what God will do!

        • Worry about what God might do to you after you die, if you are a sinner.

          Worry about what Muslims are obligated to do to you in this world if you are not a Muslim.

  • Fran Miller

    All the crazies under one roof, just like the White House. Oh my. Glad they will all be headed to Prison as soon as they start their craziness.

  • Mike Barnes

    As a resident of Kernersville this scares the hell out of me, that these racist and xenophobic morons can all get together in a public place and put out a call to violence?! And not one other resident inside that restaurant called them out for it? Called the police? NOTHING?

    • What race is Islam? Did Dougie Hooper turn Black or Brown when he reverted to Islam? Did Ayaan Hirsi Ali turn white when she apostatized?

      Did you know that Muhammad owned and sold Black slaves and that the slaves used on southern plantations were enslaved and sold by Muslims?

      • Mike Barnes

        Islam has no race, it’s a religion. WHat race is Christian? What race is Jewish? What race is Buddhist? Your statement has no bearing in what I wrote, so take your trolling ass someplace else. I have read from the Quoran, I have acquaintances that are Muslim. Go pedal hate somewhere else, rather than telling people to go and read whatever biased tome you have bought into.

        • Objection to Islamic conqest is neither racist nor bigoted. Knowledge of Islam is based on the Qur’an and hadith, all of which are heresay, having no real validity. I do not take stock in any of that crap, I only expose it.

  • randman21

    If enough people sent this to the Kernersville Police Department, could they do anything about it?

  • Annie N.

    Frank Del Valle is Pablo Del Valle’s father — you may recognize the name from Atelier on Trade — and his recent assault charges. Looks like it runs in the family?

  • Bill Delamar

    So, what will Trump do about these home grown terrorists?

    • MightyMoo

      Nothing. Maybe a pardon where needed.

  • MightyMoo

    “Because my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them.”

    Dear god it’s ISIS in America!

    ‘Robert Goodwill, who identified himself as a member of the national security advocacy group Act for America, took an optimistic tack with the recent election of Donald Trump, adding, “We’re on our way.”’

    Christ its the American Christian version of the Muslim Brotherhood complete with murderous intent! So much for the religion of salvation and forgiveness!

    ‘“I am beyond that point,” del Valle replied. “I’m ready to start taking people out.”’

    Someone who is no better in character than the boogie men he’s afraid of.

  • ibwilliamsi

    Why no denunciation or apology from Captain Tom’s? Their lack of response here speaks volumes.

  • Man’s Ruin

    The collective IQ in that room was lower than it was at the local animal shelter. This is what happens after 30 years of systematic dismantling of public education. None of these mouth-breathing morons should be allowed to drive a car, let alone comment on complex international geopolitics, religion or public policy.

  • Merle Untas

    These chuckleheads are brain damaged beyond recovery. We’re looking forward to their next gathering.

  • Laura Schilling

    Did this reporter bother to call local police?

    • mike holt

      Call the police for what? Have you called the police for all the calls for assassination of the president or the blowing up of the Whitehouse you moron

      • Jonathan Sari

        Hey, Mike! Who called for those things? Such calls are Federal crimes. Please report them.

  • Jack N Knoff

    Dam right thems museliems want to subject us to sharhehaw law and not let us eat pork chops no moar and fer that i sez grab your guns and lock and load

    • jerryp

      You can not even play dumb!

      • “Dumb” refers to aphasia; “stupid” refers to inability to learn and think. Please use the correct terminology: The descriptive term to use in this case is LibTard,

        • jerryp

          You are dumb.

          • You are stupid and obnoxious. Dumb means unable to speak. This is a visual, not an auditory medium.

  • Pamela Beurman

    “Conservative activists”, oh, you mean terrorists? ?

    That’s right, y’all just keep telling yourselves that there’s a murderous band of ________ (insert imaginary enemy here) hiding behind every bush and in every tree. Truth is, you and your ilk are far more of a problem than any other group.

    • mike holt

      Do you not see what is happening around the world. Are you that naive that it can’t come here. It doesn’t look like white guys causing the problem in other countries. But just keep your head in the sand. Nothing wrong with being prepared for whatever when the shtf. What is funny is all you p _ _ _ y s will be looking for a prepper to hide behind… if you live long enough!! Prepare for any catastrophe

      • Pamela Beurman

        You know what I see? I see a bunch of low intellect mouth breathers with more bullets than functioning brain cells running around yelling “the sky is falling” and pretending to be our salvation.

        Bubba, Junior and Y’all Qaeda, overgrown redneck children playing militia.

        • mike holt

          Sorry you see it that way. The bullets are for their family protection not your salvation. And with respect to “the sky is falling” bet that’s how Sweden and the rest of Europe feel today….”o my God how did we let this happen ” Oh by the way I’m not of low intellect , mouth breather sometimes. More bullets than brain cells… yes . You must be a northern transplant if you live near kville or else you would know although I don’t consider to be one there are many rednecks around. But they don’t call people names or try to belittle them for having a different opinion. . Remember ” Country boys will survive” Get to know one

          • Pamela Beurman

            Born and raised in the Deep South and married to a country boy, the only difference is, we’re not paranoid.

            Please save the BS, who do you think came up with little gems like libtard, mooslem, rag head, snowflake and so many others? It wasn’t us liberals sweetie. Peddle that lie to someone else.

            Y’all keep playing militia and scaring the locals. I prefer to live in the real world.

          • mike holt

            Peddle what lie. Does your country boy have bullets?

          • Pamela Beurman

            Well darn, I knew I forgot something, I suppose I’ll just have to use liberal daisies.

            Do you have more ridiculous questions you want to ask? Just leave a list and I’ll answer when I have time. Toodles!

          • mike holt

            You can’t answer anything only spew….. very typical. Sorry you’re so hateful. Kinda glad you don’t live in kville

          • Pamela Beurman

            Thanks for proving that sarcasm is only for smart people!

            Hateful? Oh no sweetie, just fed up with listening to those of your ilk, scared senseless and preparing for the end. It’s hysterically funny listening to y’all, one would think that ISIS is taking over the country as we speak and the White House is under siege. SMDH

            Oh, no I won’t be wishing I was a “prepper”, I’m thoroughly capable of growing and canning my own food thank you! Been doing it for years. But, enjoy your fantasy.

          • duckfaceantonacio

            You act like your point of view here is somehow defensible, and has a right to stand next to Pamela Beurman’s comments. You’d have credibility only if you weren’t acting like an intolerant bigot. Don’t force us to tolerate your absolute intolerance. That’s not how tolerance works. Consult the dictionary. You are talking about violence and destruction and we are talking about peaceful solutions. There is freedom of religion in this country. Period. Sorry that bothers you. Your comments are bigoted, and this is not a difference of opinion, because a bigoted opinion is destructive and harmful, and therefore, not ethical and not viable. You probably don’t understand any of what I’ve written here.

          • Islam is not a religion protected by the penumbra of the free exercise clause. There is no right to attack, plunder, rape and enslave, all of which are entailed by Allah’s commands and Moe’s exemplar. 9/111 was an islamic act of worship!

          • jerryp

            So Armageddon will be….???

          • When Iran finally mates nukes with ICBMs.

          • In the real world, 240 million innocent people went to early graves at the hands of Muslims. One hundred years ago 1.5 million Armenian Christians were massacred by the Ottoman Empire.

            “Kill them wherever you find them” & “fight those of the disbelievers nearest you” are commands, not suggestions.

            Look them up: Surah At-Taubah 9.5 & 9.14. Islam Awakened displays 50 parallel translations. Corpus Quran displays the Arabic words and English meanings with a dictionary and concordance.

          • Pamela Beurman

            I don’t know about you but, I wasn’t around 100 years ago. Please feel free to cite legit sources.

          • Google “Tears of Jihad”, Dr. Warner has a breakdown of the statistics. Search for “Jihad: The Islamic Doctrine Of Permanent War” and “The Quranic Concept Of War”. Make notes of the Qur’an & hadith citations in those books and look them up at quranbrowser and sunnah, bot dot com domains.

          • jerryp

            God promises to kill all non-believers(see Revelation)

          • Allah commands Muslims to do his wet work in this world: Surahs Al-Anfal & At-Taubah.

          • jerryp

            Americans killing Americans-Civil War
            Christians killing Christians-WWI and WWII
            Christians Killing Muslims-Iraq, Yemen etc etc

          • Muslims began attacking our shipping after we declared independence. Tripoli’s ambassador told T. Jefferson their rational for it, his report to John Jay is quoted in the Wikipedia entry for the First Barbary War. Read it and get a clue. Our only provocation was not being Muslim. Refer to Sahih Bukhari 4.53.386 and Hedaya 2.141 for further clues.

          • SDLKJ

            don’t have much education, do you?

      • Jzgplj

        More white guys take part in terrorist acts against Americans. Oklahoma city, the Sikh temple in Wisconsin, and the Dylan Roof douchebag. All your prepper crap will be for naught when Donald gets us nuked.

        • Color has nothing to do with it. Psychotic drug addicts like Roof are a minority. Muslims are commanded by their deity to punish infidels for not worshiping Allah,

          Read Surah At-Taubah 9.14 and Sahih Bukhari 1.8.386 and get a clue.

          Obama is the one who gave Iran free reign to make nuclear warheads and mount them on missiles.

          Islam is a predatory institution founded by a predator and maintained by predators. Displaying weakness to predators invites attack.

          • duckfaceantonacio

            You need to get a clue. Catholic priests act as predators, and they maintain a facade that allows predators to continue. They’ve done so for centuries, and the pattern of sexual abuse is well known by everybody. Everybody knows Priests touch little kid’s genitals, yet here you are whining about Islam.

          • I am not whining about Islam, I am exposing and cursing it. As a backslid Methodist, I condemn pedophilia, both Catholic and Islamic. Moe was thighing Aisha for three years before he consummated their marriage. She was six years old. Open the Koran to 65.4 and discover there is a waiting period for divorced Muslim wives not yet menstruating. In Book O of Reliance Of The Traveller you can learn that there is no minimum age.

            Besides being carnal, Islam is violent, intrinsically, by design and incapable of reformation.

            Toleration of a belief in divine mandate to kill non-believers is suicidal.

          • duckfaceantonacio

            Ah, ok. Well then, unfortunately, I don’t think you’re able to understand what I’m talking about. You’re not going to step back and confront the clear bias you have against Islam? Well, this is how ignorance functions: you can’t understand what I’m saying even if you tried. You’re simply too ignorant to understand. I’m sorry to offer so much proof of your ignorance. I’m not citing the Qu’oran or the Bible, to prove you are ignorant. I’m using the dictionary. I’m using ethics.

          • Having read two Qur’an translations, four of the six sittah hadith collections, Books O, M & N of Reliance Of The Traveller, Al-Sayir in the second volume of Hedaya, The Sealed Nectar and much more, I am not ignorant of islam!

            Compared to the self-righteous LibTards posting in this thread, I am an expert.

            What is ethical or moral about a seventh century barbarian war lord putting words in an idol’s mouth to sanctify rape pillage & slavery?

            What is ethical or moral about trying to protect evil from exposure & condemnation?

          • 21HillsSt

            Are you atheist? Because I’d be interested to know what religion you follow that hasn’t committed atrocities in the last two thousand years.

          • UncleVladdi

            So you can’t accuse a global crime-gang of their crimes because some other crime-gangs committed their crimes somewhere too?

          • My religion is irrelevant. Argumentum Tu-Quoque is always a logical fallacy. Nothing done or said by anyone else subtracts from the intrinsic evil designed into Islam when Moe contrived it!

          • Argumentum Tu-Quoque cuts no mustard. It is a diversion, not a defense.

          • jerryp

            I am a self proclaimed expert and that is why I waste my time on these discussion boards.
            The real evil was a President that lied and stated this whole mess we see today

          • Seek my blog post entitled: “Thousands Died and Shrub Lied”.

            The real evil is Moe’s sanctification of plunder for his own personal emolument, giving brigandry “divine” sanction.

          • SDLKJ

            You don’t have much education, do you?

          • UncleVladdi

            You’re not using ethics by refusing to compare what the Qur’an actually says – you’re demonstrating the exact wilful ignorance you deride in others. You claim Dajjal is “biased” against islam when he’s actually read all their stuff. You clearly haven’t, which
            makes your stance the “biased” and immorally relativist one.

            Why are you defending the world’s largest and oldest, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME gang at all, in stead of learning about it?

            Could it be because most muslims are swarthy, and you’re a racist who presumes they are so mentally inferior and simple that they don’t actually know htat what they’re doing is a crime? Are you pretending that they need your help because they are so at the mercy of their animal instincts that they just can’t help themselves but become violent whenever a mentally superior white person confuses and oppresses them? Is that it- are you a RACIST?

            ;-)

          • Not all, Unk, there are thousands of volumes I have not read!

          • UncleVladdi

            Derivative tangential stuff ain’t as important as the core doctrine stuff!

          • There are at least two large Arabic libraries on line with >3K volumes.

          • UncleVladdi

            Repetitive drivel; there’s not all that much to islam, it’s just god-blaming excuses for extortion, slavery, rape and murder LOL! So libs defend it.

          • Beyond the Qur’an, sahihs & Reliance, its pretty much embelishment, but there are mountains of texts of Islamic history and law out there.

          • UncleVladdi

            Mountains of derivative repetitive baalshiite just confirming the CRIMES!

          • Divenely inspired/mandated crimes rewarded by admission to paradise in the next world and plunder in this.

          • UncleVladdi

            Rights without responsibilities – the exact same lies libs love!

          • The Muslim’s responsibility is to Allah and the Ummah.

          • UncleVladdi

            Yes, but “unknown, unknowable” allah is really only a blank-form excuse for islam’s holy-mobster muslims’ own criminal desires and actions! They demand everyone “believe” in unidentifiable allah or else they will be killed! “Believe in the literally unbelievable or else! CAPISCE?” So their real responsibility is to the ummah (gang)!

          • The perverse besuty of the system: Rejecting Allah is an act of kufr: rebellion aganst Allah, converting an act of aggression into an act of defense.

          • UncleVladdi

            You mean verse-vica? Resisting us is an attack on us so now we must defend ourselves from your resistance by attacking more!

          • Muslims claim all their wars are defensive. 5.33 & Ibn Kathir make rejecting Islam an act of war against Allah & Muslims. “Fight those who fight against you” 2.190. See also Muslim 19.4294.
            Note also Moe’s statement on page 88 of the fourth volume of Bukhari. “He who disobeys my orders will be humiliated by paying jizya.”

          • UncleVladdi

            Ah, so you simply missed breaking down your first statement into it’s two implications, like this, then:

            “The perverse beauty of the system: Rejecting Allah is an act of kufr: rebellion against Allah; converting the infidels’ act of defense into an act of aggression, and the muslims’ act of aggression into an act of defense.”

            (In other words, their typical criminal victim-blaming slander)!
            … and even the mere statement of which, IS an attack in itself!

            ;-)

          • Those with IQ >100 do not need to have 5.33 predigested.

          • UncleVladdi

            Sorry, can’t help being smarter than most mere mortals LOL!

          • SDLKJ

            don’t have much education, do you?

          • Bachelor of Arts in Secondary Education & Political Science, Minor in Economics with an overall GPA of 3.85.

            Demonstrate your knowledge of the subject, genius!

          • UncleVladdi

            They just tried the usual tu quoque on ya: “Islam isn’t an evil crime-gang because others elsewhere at other times did similar things too!”

            ;-)

          • UncleVladdi

            You need the clue: comparing two unrelated wrongs can’t make one of them right. You defend the infinite evils of islam allegedly because others elsewhere commit the same sort of evil crimes.

            When you get caught by a cop running a stop sign, do you try to defend your actions by saying “So what? Other people do it too!”

          • jerryp

            Did your realize that four other nations were involved with Obama. And your statement is not correct

          • The UN and other parties to the joint agreement are irrelevant. It could not happen without Obamination!

          • SDLKJ

            So, just how many verses of the BIBLE do you want to take out of context to prove you a total liar?

          • UncleVladdi

            IN context, ALL the worst Bible verses (those calling for tribal genocides, death to homosexuals, etc) were limited in scope to the temporary: ONCE, NOW, HERE, and often only applying to the Jews them selves. Contrast them to islam’s Qur’an, which demands the same things, except that they must be applied ALWAYS, for all time, EVERYWHERE, and to all non-muslims, too!

            Thus it’s easy to see that the Qur’an is literally INFINITELY WORSE than even the worst bits of the old testament.

            (Once, here, versus ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE = infinite diff)!

            ;-)

          • Nothing in the Bible can prove me a liar. First, the Bible is irrelevant to the subject. Second, I am not a liar. You can find documentation for what I have posted in my comments in my blogs:
            blog spots Crusaders Armory and Islam Exposed.

        • UncleVladdi

          You listed three ‘white guy’ terrorists. Compare that to the thousands of muslim ones lately.

          thereligionofpeace. com/attacks/american-attacks. aspx

      • SDLKJ

        You don’t have much education or IQ, do you?

    • Have you so soon forgotten what they did in New York City and Washington D.C. 16 years ago or are you too young to have lived through it?

      The Boston Marathon bombing, recent bombingt in NYC and bombs planted in NJ were all Muslim projects. Likewise the shooting of recruiters in Chatanooga, Fort Hood Massacre, San Bernardino Massacre and Orlando Massacre.

      You could get a clue about Islam by reading the Qur’an, Sahih Bukhari and “The Book Of Jihad” but you will more likely continue to ponfificate from the pillar of ignorance.

      • Pamela Beurman

        Have you noticed, there’s a difference between radicals and Muslims? Just like there’s a difference between Fundamentalists and Christians.

        • Islam is defined by the recitation and works of its founder, not by you. Muhammad was a terrorist, pedophile & barbarian warlord besides being a false prophet. He created Islam in his image. it has not been hijacked, perverted or distorted; it is evil by design. Not moderate or radical, just plain Islam.

          • Javafutter

            Yeah the Crusades were defined by mass murder, rape, and torture. So what’s your point?

          • The Crusades were counter reaction and retaliation against 400 years of Islamic conquest and interference with pilgrims travelling to the Levant.

            Unk’s point: argumentum Tu-Quoque i.e.”You too!” is a diversion, not adefense. Nothing said or done by anyone else at any time, in any place subrracts from the intrinsic evil of Islam.

          • jerryp

            How would you define the God of the Old Testament and the one defined in the book of Revelation?

          • UncleVladdi

            Who cares? You’re saying “Islam isn’t evil because you do it too!”

          • SDLKJ

            never read the Quran, have you? Or do you have the intelligence to even read/comprehend the US Constitution?

          • UncleVladdi

            The Qur’an is the exact opposite of the US Constitution.

          • When last tested, my verbal IQ was 140. Age may have dulled that a bit, but I am not your fool.

            I read Shakir’s translation and that of Hilali & Khan. I looked up the most important verses in Tafsir Ibn kathir, Tafsir al-Jlalayn and tafsir Ibn Abbas.

            I read “The Sealed Nectar”, the first two volumes of Ibn Sa’d and many pages of “The Life Of Muhammad”. I read the Jihad books of the six Sittah and Mishkat ul-Misabih. I also read Craig Winn’s “The Prophet Of Doom” including the “In His Own Words” appendix. Add to that volume 8 of Tabari.

            Add to that the parts of “Reliance Of The Traveller”, Hedaya and Risala relevant to Jihad.

            In the matter of Prophets: Jesus Christ was long gone 500 years before Moe was born. Moe’s first wife had a cousin, Ibn Waraqa, who was a Gnostic Monk. Moe plagiarized Jewish & Christian scripture and pseudagraphia obtained from Ibn Waraqa into his false faith in hopes of making it appeal to Jews and Christians.

            Moe was the first Muslim. Neither Abraham, Moses, Joseph, Jonah nor Jesus were Muslims. Isa is not Jesus! The Qur’an denies Christ’s paternity, deity, crucifixion, death and resurrection. Sahih ahadith depict Jesus as inferior to Moe and his paternal half brother. A hadith in the second volume of Hayat ul-Qulub has Moe telling Khadija, on her deathbed, to greet his wives in Jannah, one of whom is Mary, Mother of Jesus!!!

            Yes, by God, I documented those disgusting details in “The Defamation of Jersus Christ” !

          • UncleVladdi

            Jersus?

          • Fat finger syndrome and poor vision, Unk.

          • UncleVladdi

            Kroiste ya gots it bad dere eh me foine boyo?

          • ‘Tain’t hampering the bigots, they keep spewing Tu-Qyoqye & ad-hominem.

          • UncleVladdi

            It’s *almost* like dey been swillin’ da Taquiyya straight from the camel!

            ;-)

          • Camels do not produce that stuf ;) But I recall seing a video in which a young boy tapped a teat without first hobbling the camel and got a good swift kick for his efforts.

          • UncleVladdi

            It was simply an implicit metaphor equating Taquiyya lies to camel urine.

          • Hyper obvious , Unk, but I had to have fun with it.

          • UncleVladdi

            It’s why I gave up on parables – they weren’t working out well.

            ;-)

          • Pamela Beurman

            And yet, here you are, defining Islam. Oh, the hypocrisy!

          • I do not define Islam, Moe did. Read the Qur’an or, better yet, Tafsir Ibn kahtir. Then open Riyad Us-Salihyeen to the Jihad chapter, page 384 if memory serves, and read it. For the final clue, go to the intenet archive, open Guillaume’s “The Life Of Muhammad” and read the table of contents.

        • UncleVladdi

          There are no moderate muslims, as there is no moderate islam.

          • Pamela Beurman

            And, by virtue of what are you an expert on Muslims?

          • Unk has a very extensive library and has read all of it and engaged in extensive study of Islamic law. He has likely forgotten more than I know about Islam.

          • Pam Beurman

            Then you would know that you’re perpetuating a falacy.

          • The fallacy is your self conceived intellectual & moral superiority.

          • UncleVladdi

            Because I actually bothered to read all their most official stuff.

          • Only hypocrites and Believers.

        • “Radicals” is an abominable lie! Muhammad, after the death of Khadija, made his living by his spear: plunder. Refer to page 108 of the fourth volume of Sahih Bukhari and page 31 the fourth volume of Ibn Kathir’s “The Life Of The Prophet Muhammad” . Then turn to the Qur’an and read Surah Al-Anfal 8.1, 41 & 67. If you need more evidence, search for and read “Islam’s Mercenmary Mission”. The Qur’an defines Believers in 9.111 & 49.15 as only those who fight in Allah’s cause, which is to make Islam dominate the world.

          • UncleVladdi

            *Mercenary* mission.

          • he said his provision was under the shade of his spear. At Badr, he prayed for the caravan “as a prey”. At Khaibar, he prayed for the conquest of the wealthiest fort to compensate his companions.

      • Mish

        Dajjal, using that “logic” we should add white males to the terrorist list…after all it was a white male that committed the murders in Sandy Hook, it was a white male that committed the killings in Charleston, it was a white male who committed the murders at the Colorado Theater..shall I go on…All people do not fit in these neat little boxes that society tries to shove them in…all black people are not from the ghetto, all hispanics are not illegal immigrants from Mexico, all whites are not racists, and all muslims are not terrorists. We need to stop this type thinking and talking. If we cannot see that all people are not cut out of the same mold, how can we truly identify those who have a true desire to do us harm?

        • UncleVladdi

          PST! There are many white muslims. Islam isn’t a race.

        • Argumentum Tu-Quoque is always a logical fallacy, a diversion, not a defense.

          The actions of insane or drug addled killers of any race or religion subtract nothing from the absolute unmitigated evil of Islam.

          Open Muquaddimah to page 199 and discover what Ibn Khaldun, a North African Arab driven from Spain to Tunisia, had to write about Arabs and how they made their living. Compare that, especially the sentence about their sutenance being where the shadow of their lances fell to what Moe said about his provision being under the shade of his spear in page 88 of the fourth volume of Sahih Bukhari. Can you get a clue? I sadly doubt it.

      • Javafutter

        Have you forgotten the people who kill 10,000 Americans every year with guns? Have you forgotten about the White Supremacists who murdered police officers in Nevada, leaving a Gadsden flag on their bodies or the white supremacists who just last year were arrested as they prepared to bomb my synagogue and Jewish community center here in Virginia?

        Did you forget about the White Supremacist who murdered those elderly African American people in the South Carolina church?

        Did you forget about those beautiful children gunned down in Connecticut by a freak with an automatic weapon?

        You are paralyzed by fear and hatred of people who look and pray differently than you.

        • UncleVladdi

          You can continue to spew ignorant immoral relativism…
          OR you could risk your prejudices and read a Qur’an.

        • Prior to 633, Egypt, Iraq, Persia, Syria & Yemen had primarily Christian populations. Change came about through conquest. If Poland had not come to the rescue of Vienna in 1686, Western Europe would have fallen pery to Muslims as Spain, Greece, Romania and others did.

          Hedaya is a two volume set of Islamic law that regulated India and the Ottoman Empire. Open the second volume to page 140 and read through page 216. Each of those pages holds a clue for you. War must be carried on at all times by some party of the Muslims and infidels may be attacked without provocation. You can learn that in the first two pages.

      • 21HillsSt

        I live in Boston. I don’t need to be reminded of the bombing or 9/11. Radicals did that. If you want to make lists, the list of atrocities done by non-Muslims will be longer.

        You’re versed in the Quaran. Congratulations. So you know, like the Bible, it started with the Torah. The 3 large monotheistic religions have a common source.

        Muhammed is a false profit? Not going to argue, I’m not that religious, so they are all false to me. Who is your “real” profit(s)?

        I don’t believe in pedophilia either, but it is still common in the Arab world. Muhammed would be a pedophile by today’s Western standards. The Virgin Mary was 14 when she gave birth to Jesus. Does that make the Holy Spirit a pedophile? If you don’t believe in the virgin birth, is the 30 year old Joseph a pedophile?

        My neighbors of 30 years are Muslim. They are great people. As is the Muslim in LA who fosters terminally ill children. As are the people our soldiers have been fighting and dying beside for 15 years.

        There are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Like everyone else, the vast majority just want to raise their family in peace.

        • UncleVladdi

          No, the list of atrocities by non-muslims is not longer. If you bother to do any basic research, you will discover the facts:

          Islam is really an actual threat to everyone because IT says it is, not because we misinterpreted it.

          According to their own Eastern histories, islam has an official 1,400 year history of “holy” lies, extortions, robberies, tortures, arsons, kindappings, slaveries, rapes and 270 million murders: that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENTS SACRIFICED TO ALLAH, so far!

          For a detailed breakdown of historical islamic depredations by region and era, just Google for: “Tears of Jihad.”

          Islam has a larger death-tally than that of EVERYONE ELSE, both secular and religious, COMBINED, and with an historical average of less than 1% of the global population to have committed it with, too!

          Do the math: 270 million divided by 1,400 is almost 200,000 per year, or over 500 per day, or over 20 per hour or about one person every three minutes being murdered by Muslims ever since Islam was founded.

          So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, MUSLIMS ARE STILL FROM BETWEEN FOUR AND SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN MURDER (and all other crimes,) THAN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD!

          According to Paris-based Iranian sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar, “of France’s 64,000 prisoners, up to 60% are Muslim. (Muslims are thought to compose only 8% of the population.)”

          Based on data from 2011, Pew Research Center estimated that Muslims made up 9% of the 1,598,780 state and federal prisoners in the United States. Pew also reported that as of 2010, about 0.8% of the U.S. population was Muslim, up from 0.6% in 1990. Data allegedly provided by the federal Bureau of Prisons reported that, as of 1997, Muslims made up 7.27% of the federal prison population.

          In other words, Muslims are overrepresented in the French prison population by 7.5 times their percentage of the population. In the United States, although their overall percentage is smaller, Muslims are overrepresented in the prison population by 11.25 times their percentage of the population.

          Here’s the most recent American prison-inmate-by-religion stats:

          US Inmate population religious preferences

          58% Christian
          29% Muslim
          13% Other (including Atheist)

          Since muslims are at most 3% of the total population in America, it’s obvious they are TEN TIMES more likely than their numbers would indicate, to be in prison.

          And I believe Americans in general poll at 80% Christian, so they are under-represented in prison, by at least 30% or one third less than one might have otherwise expected, based on population percentage alone.

          But it’s not surprising, really:

          ALL muslims are criminals: by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an, which tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-muslims, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being muslims:

          “Slay the non-muslims wherever you find them,” (Qur’an 9:5), “Strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip,” (Qur’an 8:12) and “Fight them until there is no unbelief and the religion, all of it, is for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39).

          And they have no choice – islam isn’t cafeteria catholicism, it’s all or nothing (sura 2:85) and so if they give evidence they aren’t toeing the line, the others must murder them for hypocrisy (4:86).

          Therefore all muslims call them selves “muslims” and not “islamists,” or “radicals,” or “moderates!”

          So the Qur’an is a clearly-written, us-versus-them hate-crime book, endorsing a permanent might-makes-right death-threat.

        • There are nine ayat in the Qur’an which expressly forbid friendship, alliance & partnership with kuffar. One of them licences deception for self protection and promotion of Islam. Many Armenians had ‘Muslim friends’ until Pasha issued the order to kill them, then their blood flowed.

          As Churchill wrote in The River War, individual Muslims may have splendid qualities but Islam in a man is more dangerous than rabies in a dog.

          ‘Radicals’ = Believers: only those who fight in Allah’s cause, killing and being killed. Refer to 9.111 & 49.15.

          • jerryp

            You hate more than any Muslim I know

          • I pity your inability to contest the facts. It must hurt to be you.

  • Shivam Bhatt

    lol. this is just like right after 9/11, when every podunk village in nowheresville was dead certain sure the muslims were going to bomb them next. Seriously, what a bunch of ignorant and scared babies. y’all qaeda, indeed. these children need to be arrested for their own safety. Or maybe get an education and learn about the world outside of their barns, and find themselves some work. Keep them too busy to start making up phantom reasons to murder innocents.

    • UncleVladdi

      Since islam itself claims no ‘infidels” are innocent and must be murdered by all muslims, it stands to reason that no holy-mobster “muslim” gangster is innocent, by definition.

      • Allah obligates Muslims to wage Jihad by the hand, tongue, pen, purse or heart and threatens shirkers with eternity in his fire pit. Most of the posters here appear to be ignorant of the “forgotten obligation”.

        Innocence is an exclusive attribute of Muslims, all others are “waging war against Allah and his Messenger” as per 5.33. Doubters & deniers: refer to Tafsir Ibn kathir which defines “waging war”… to include “disbelief”.

        • UncleVladdi

          True, that! If someone who is born into a crime-gang which says a god demands they murder the non-members of their gang, (and/or all on their own claims to believe in such a god demanding it of them,) kills someone else, even if they admit that, without such a god existing, killing people who had never done anything wrong to them first would indeed be the criminal act of murder, does their birth-indoctrination or adult ‘belief’ still give them the right to be found innocent or at least not guilty for their otherwise crimes?!

          Hell, NO!

          NO holy-mobster “muslim” is innocent! Group or gang rights (like to extort, enslave, and murder all the “infidels” in the world for one’s god) must come with group or gang responsibilities (like to pay for those even ‘only attempted’ crimes and criminal threats of same)!

        • jerryp

          If they all did that we would all be gone by now. Your comments are just trash

          • Offensive Jiha is fard al-Kifaya: a communal obligation from which the Ummah is released once a sufficent number have joined the battle. Get some knowledge, quit beign a bigot.

        • SDLKJ

          And the Bible doesn’t do this eh?

          Shows how very ignorant and stupid you REALLY are.

          Deuteronomy 17

          If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

          • Read the old testament in context. Nothing in it subrracts anything from the evil of Islam.

            Had Moe found anything bad in the Bible, he could have fixed it in the Koran, instead he doubled down on it.

            Moe ordered lapidations, Jesus stopped one. Christianity is a new dispensation, rejectd by Islam.

      • SDLKJ

        Deuteronomy 17

        If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

        • UncleVladdi

          That notably applies BY Jews, and only TO other Jews, and even then ONLY within the boundaries of the land of Israel, doesn’t it?

          ;-)

          Contrary to islam which says the same thing, but insists it applies to ALL people on earth, including all non-muslims, everywhere!

          Between “only to and for us, here” vs. “to everyone everywhere”
          shows that islam is literally INFINITELY worse than Judaism.

          So that’s another fine and total FAIL on your part …. “Skippy!”

          ;-)

          • SDLKJ

            ROTFLMAO
            very IGNORANT, aren’t you?
            SO very typical of your kind’s bigotry, stupidity and ignorance.
            SO very typical.
            Is it any wonder WHY your kind is so very uneducated and ignorant?

            A REAL Christian knows it means EVERYONE.
            A fake one – hypocritical cowards like yourself aren’t real Christians and never will be.

            question – were you born this ignorant or did you de-evolve into it?

          • UncleVladdi

            More ad-hominems. You know that means you admit you lost.

          • SDLKJ

            Your ignorance and lack of intelligence is precisely why it’s so very easy for those like me to show you as a jackass in court. And that’s why we ALWAYS win.
            Thank you. You make it SO very easy

          • UncleVladdi

            You’re only an infantile delinquent living in his Mommy’s basement, not an old lawyer with over 60-years of experience LOL! Silly troll!

            SAD!

          • SDLKJ

            ROTFLMAO

            Mom passed away 15 years ago, skippy.

            I’m your worst nightmare – I’m the one who makes you look like the toltal uneducated ignorant ass you are in court.
            I’m the one who gets VERY lucrative verdicts against your kind and kicks your bigoted uneducated ass to the door over constitutional rights volations.

            And we always win aginst your ignorant kind.

            ALWAYS.

  • duckfaceantonacio

    All of the false statements made by the people quoted in this article are on record, and all Jordan Green really does to counter the mayhem is one mention of “unsubstantiated claims about Muslim subversion of the American court system.” It is irresponsible and ham fisted to give a platform for so many terrifyingly inaccurate and bigoted statements without countering them with actual facts. “Unsubstantiated claims” does not cut it. This situation is alarming, and the journalism used here by Jordan Green is part of the problem. Is there a “madrassah” there? Tell us. Frank del Valle’s deranged statements should not be left to dangle in the wind, without providing some background information about Cuba. You print a ton of unreal things and then assume your readers will understand the characters in this article are disturbed, and/or lying?? Open your eyes, Triad City Beat. OPEN YOUR EYES.

  • mike holt

    I notice you went to some length to describe the people at the meeting. Not saying I agree with them just wondering why no research on Mr Hooper or C.A.I.R ?? Think it would be an eye opener. Or maybe you do know but it doesn’t fit your agenda…

    • Javafutter

      The Muslim friends I have ( I am Jewish) have been in my community for a couple of generations. Their father spent 40 years as a brilliant surgeon, charitable community member and was mourned by people of every background when he passed away.

      My friends are just regular people.

      The hatred spilling out of this group makes it so easy for right wing politicians to spill toxic waste into waterways, destroy the healthcare of working class Americans and keep wages low and taxes high. The distraction of fear is palatable.

      • UncleVladdi

        It’s usually second-and third-generation muslims who become the most ‘devout’ and go on violent jihad rampages because they were born here and raised on liberal racist victimology lies while their parents knew what they ran away from.

      • You have Muslim friends? Are you aware of the ayat which expressly forbid friendship with Kuffar, particularly Jews? Go to your favorite Qur’an search engine and search for “take not” and “as friends”. Get a clue!!!

        • jerryp

          99% of Muslims do not follow their own teachings. Same goes for Christians. Get over yourself and get a job.

          • Tell it to the 270*10^6 innocent victims of Islam. Tell it to the surviving families of the 3000 killed in ’01.

          • 21HillsSt

            “Truly those who keep the faith, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and performs virtuous deeds — surely their reward is with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve.” (2:62)

          • Hilali/Khan translation, emphasis added for clarity:

            2:62. Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and
            Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allâh and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve .

            Jews & Christians do not believe in Allah, they believe in YHWH, the polar opposite of Allah. I disrespectfully direct doubters, deniers & dissenters to Surah Al-Kaaferoon 109.1…6 and Sahih Bukhari 4.164, which are quoted and linked in my blog post entitled “Allah Is Not God”.

            In further direct response to your out of context quote, refer to Surah Al-Baqarah 2.160…165 & Surah Al-Ma’idah 5.73…79.

          • SDLKJ

            and how about ALL the people killed and persecuted by your kind over the CENTURIES re your bastardized pov of Christianity?

          • Argumentum Tu-Quoque remains a diversion, not a defense. The intrinsic evil of Islam is indefensible!

            Unlike Moe, Jesus neither commanded nor exemplified holy war. Umar acted in obedience to Allah, emulating Moe. The conquistadors acted in contravention of the teaching of Christ.

          • SDLKJ

            they can’t get a job – they don’t have the intelligence to actually work in the real world.

          • jerryp

            I had assumed that you had a little intelligence. I was wrong. You probably can not get a job

          • SDLKJ

            By ‘they” I meant those as ignorant as Dajjal. – My bad that I wasn’t clear.
            re a job – I’ve had one for 30+ years – making an arse out of those as ignorant as Dajjal in court.

          • jerryp

            OK-so you both do not have a job

          • SDLKJ

            the moron above obviously doesn’t
            I, on the other had, most definitely DO.
            that’s why we kept making an arse of uneducated morons like the above in court. It’s SO easy and lucrative.

          • UncleVladdi

            PEW statistical research says over 80% of muslims follow their own teachings; them’s the facts, contrary to your vapid opinion.

  • 21HillsSt

    Not a conservative group. They are talking about killing Americans. Flip it around. Make it a gathering of Muslims talking about Christians. What would the reaction be then? Is the next Dylann Roof in with these nitwits?

    • SDLKJ

      They’re also of obvious LOW IQ and uneducated as well.

      • What do you know about islam and how did you lern it?

        • SDLKJ

          Comparative world religions courses taught by a Christian minister, a rabbi, an imann, a Buddhist monk etc
          Unlike you and your ignorant kind, we choose to be educated instead of being ignorant and stupid and bigoted

          • UncleVladdi

            So you’re listening to “experts” in stead of reading the Qur’an for your self? Way to avoid personal responsibility while pretending to maintain a false moral high ground to accuse others of “bias!”

          • SDLKJ

            Unlike you and your band of ignorants, I and others choose to be educated instead of being ignorant and stupid and bigoted

          • UncleVladdi

            I haven’t seen even the most remote hint that you are in any way educated about islam and muslims. You have no logical arguments, but keep on repeating silly slanders about all the allegedly “stupid bigoted ignorance” in others who have studied it in great and excruciating detail and revealed their knowledge to us here.

            Funny how those of us with facts, have no need to spew forth all the critical thinking logical fallacies, like the deflective tu quoque and ad-hominem personal attacks which you need to.

          • SDLKJ

            I don’t need any arguments for an ignorant uneducated twit bigot.

            all I need is the LAW per the US Constitution = 1st Amendment – Establishment Clause + the 14th Amendment + established case law.

            Now, want to try your ignorance and stupidity again, little ballless twit? You LOVE showing off just how ignorant and stupid you are..

          • 21HillsSt

            You read the Quaran?

          • UncleVladdi

            Many, many (way too many) times. And the most sahih collections of ahadith, and Ibn Hisham’s sanitized rendition of Ibn Ishaq’s sirat, and the main hedayas and risalas of the four main Sunni maddhab fiqhs of sharia crime (“law”). And you? It seems none at all, right?

          • Which canonical texts of Islam have you read? Any of them? Hod do you know that your minister, rabbi and imam knew and inculcated truth instead of fiction?

          • SDLKJ

            Do you even have the intelligence read/comprehend a book of theology?

            I had to read the Quran as well other books of theology, including the Bible, for my classes
            BTW – ANY text can be taken out of context and bastardized. You and your ignorant kind do it ALL THE TIME, don’t you?

            Unlike you and your ignorant kind, we choose to be educated instead of being ignorant and stupid and bigoted

    • Michael

      Why is it not a conservative group? Can’t No True Scotsman these people when anti-Islam rhetoric is common among mainstream GOP.

      • So called ‘mainstream’ GOP, including President Trump, prefix the R word to Islam, falsely implying the existence of an anodyne original and ignoring the fact that Islam is permanent war.

      • UncleVladdi

        Anti-islam logic should exist among all sane Qur’an-reading people.

      • 21HillsSt

        My view would be it’s an anti-Muslim group, probably made up of conservatives. They met because of their hate for Muslims, not because of their political opinions.

        • Michael

          That’s become a distinction without a difference. That Muslims should be hated/feared now is a widely shared opinion among political conservatives. It wasn’t always so but it is now. Discriminating against Muslims was a major plank of 45’s campaign. I don’t know of any politically liberal Americans who hate Muslims, at least not in any significant numbers. They certainly aren’t calling meetings to organize a resistance against an imaginary Muslim infiltration of America.

          • UncleVladdi

            That muslims should be feared is the main goal of islam itself.
            Islam openly endorses terrorism in order to foment a fear of muslims in all infidels. Their most official sharia manual, the Hedaya, openly proclaims that all muslims, even muslim toddlers, are to be regarded as “Objects of Fear!” by all infidels, to the extent that said infidels will all hurry to cross the street to avoid even said muslim toddlers!

    • mike5586

      Muslims aren’t American.

      • UncleVladdi

        Exactly! No self-determined muslim believes in any sovereign national governments nor countries at all, ever!

        Muslims are never patriots; they regard all national sovereignties as temporary, man-made false idols which must all be eventually destroyed and replaced with the one-world global muslim Ummah, to be ruled by their theocratic caliphate, and their duty is to wage offensive war to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims.

        Terrorism is an inherent, not an incidental, component of islam.

        • SDLKJ

          Ever bother to read/comprehend the Constitution? Or do you even have the intelligence to?

          • UncleVladdi

            Islam is the exact opposite of the American Constitution:

            The Constitution is not a suicide pact. It does not require us to harbor enemy combatants and fifth columns.

            Most basically: Since islam requires its muslim members to adhere to criminal principles which are in direct conflict with the US Constitution, and Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution requires the President elect to take the Oath or Affirmation to: “… preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States” the only sane and logical way to keep that oath, is to REQUIRE the crime-gang of islam be banned!

            For instance:

            Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or abridging the free exercise thereof.

            Islam demands that it be the only recognized religion, that all others be suppressed.

            That contravenes the Constitution.

            The first amendment also provides congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech and press. Islam demands the death penalty for reviling Allah, Moe or Islam.

            Islam contravenes the Constitution.

            Art. 6 proscribes religious test for office. Islamic law requires that all officers be Muslim, declaring that infidels have no right to authority even over infidels.

            Islam contravenes the Constitution.

            Can a good Muslim be a good American?

            Theologically – no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

            Religiously – no.Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam.(Quran,2:256)(Koran)

            Scripturally – no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

            Geographically – no.Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

            Socially – no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

            Politically – no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

            Domestically – no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )

            Intellectually – no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

            Philosophically – no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

            Spiritually – no. Because when we declare ‘one nation under God,’The Christian’s God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran’s 99 excellent names. … but he is called The Great Deceiver.

          • SDLKJ

            doesn’t matter what you think, ignorant twit – It’s WHAT IS.
            The US Constitution IS the law – not you or your band of ignorant bigots
            btw – were you born this ignorant or did you de-evolve into your stupidity and bigotry?

          • UncleVladdi

            Since islam contravenes the Constitution, (as detailed above) islam is illegal. Since islam endorses and commands extortion, rape, child-rape, slavery and murder, it is an illegal crime-gang not a “religion” protected by that same Constitution. Islam is at best a manifesto of sedition against Constitutional government.

            The reason you cannot read and absorb these clearly-written FACTS is your own hatefully biased prejudicial racist bigotry.

        • 21HillsSt

          Non-Muslims are currently living under ISIS. They are required to pay an additional tax, but other than that, they are left alone.

          Never patriots? Capt. Khan died serving the US and saving the lives of the men serving under him.

          Murder all non-Muslims? Then why did Muslims risk their lives protecting Navy SEAL Marcus Luttrell in Afghanistan against the Taliban?

          “Truly those who keep the faith, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and performs virtuous deeds — surely their reward is with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve.” (2:62)

          • UncleVladdi

            According to their own Qur’an, YES, they are ALL required to murder all the non-muslims in the world – just not all at once.

            That same Qur’an also divides muslims into two groups: real, devout muslims, and hypocrites who are basically infidels too.

            Whatever Captain Khan did is now belied by his jihadi father.

            Whatever motivated muslims to save American soldiers (most likely the thought of a monetary reward and help against their own tribal enemies, in other words, self-interest, not altruism) is only anecdotal and has nothing to do with islam’s core doctrines.

            Finally, sura 2:62 and all other “moderate” ones were abrogated.

          • SDLKJ

            Hey skippy – ignorant moron that you are – ANY verse in a book of theology can be taken out of context to justify hate, ignorance and stupidity – just like YOU and your kind do.
            Now, skippy, the Bible ALSO advocates to kill infidels
            Deuteronomy 17

            If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
            So, skippy – looks like you DEFINITELY need a brain and some intelligence – because you DEFINITELY lack BOTH.

      • SDLKJ

        really?
        Since when?

        • mike5586

          Since ever. One of the requirements is having a good moral character.

          Following a cult where the founder raped 10 year olds and sacked cities and is held up as the pillar of humanity is an automatic dis-qualifier.

          • SDLKJ

            really?

            Apparently You don’t have the intelligence to know that Muslims have been in this country since before it was formed. You’re THAT stupid and ignorant, aren’t you?

            Ever bother to read or have the intelligence to comprehend the US Constitution?
            Didn’t think so – your kind doesn’t have the IQ necessary nor the education level.

            “Following a cult where the founder raped 10 year olds and sacked cities and is held up as the pillar of humanity is an automatic dis-qualifier.”
            and the so-called Christians who do the same? What do YOU and your band of ignorant bigots call them?

          • mike5586

            “waaah waaaah ignorant bigots waaaah”

            You think your meaningless buzzwords give you power, how adorable. Grow up and educate yourself.

          • SDLKJ

            I am – highly educated, which is why your kind’s total ignorance LOSES in court. And why it will ALWAYS lose.
            So, just WHY do you support and practice total ignorance and stupidity, as well as bigotry? Is it because your kind doesn’t have the intelligence to read and comprehend the Constitution? Or that you just lack any intelligence period?

          • mike5586

            I’m happy with treasonous unrestrained liberal judicial activism, because it will lead to blood in the streets, which at this point is what needs to happen anyways.

            Don’t worry, maybe when you get older and actually leave your parent’s basement you’ll figure out how the world really works.

          • SDLKJ

            Poor trollie – I’m 60 and been kicking your ignorant kind’s arse for 30+ years in court.
            btw – haven’t lived with my parent since I graduated from college as an undergrad in the 70s. After internship and law school, + wife and kids, now grandkids – I enjoy watching your kind having the Constitution shoved up your behind – your brain can’t understand it anyway.
            Want to try your ignorance and stupidity again, skippy?

          • mike5586

            A sad condemnation of how worthless law schools are, if true.

            You don’t even know the qualifications necessary for citizenship yet screech about a document you haven’t even read as if you understand it. Sad!

          • SDLKJ

            and how is one’s religion related to their citizenship?

            “Muslims aren’t American.”
            Ever bother to read and COMPREHEND the 1st Amendment? You’re saying that those who are Muslim are NOT US Citizens?
            Since when?

            You haven’t even read the Constitution because you don’t even have the intelligence to read/comprehend the Constitution, do you?

            Want to try your ignorance and stupidity again, skippy?

          • mike5586

            Muslims aren’t of good character, and thus do not qualify for citizenship when applying for such. It’s that simple.

          • SDLKJ

            really? And just WHERE in the US constitution is that?

            Oh, I forgot – you don’t have the INTELLIGENCE to know, do you?

            The Citizenship Clause is the first sentence of Section 1 in the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

            1st Amendment of the Constituton – Congress shall make NO LAW RESPECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELIGION, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

            So, just WHERE does it EVER say in the US constitution that Muslims are NOT citizens?
            btw – where in the LAW is RELIGION EVER a requirement for Citizenship?
            Oh, I forgot – you don’t have the intelligence to understand the above do you?
            You and your kind are just that stupid and ignorant.

          • Brien

            As vile, insulting and wrong as mikey is on most points (surprising for one who claims to be a lawyer), your point on ‘citizenship’ in America gets yourself in trouble.
            Your arm waving all-inclusive comments on ALL muslims is ridiculous. You should be saying Islam!

    • Roof wanted to start a race war. The group meeting in the restaurant only want to defend themselves.

      • jerryp

        Stop your hate. You make things worse.

        • Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to expose yourself as a fool. This was one of those occasions.

    • UncleVladdi

      It’s exactly how muslims are supposed to talk about Christians; the Qur’an does!

      • SDLKJ

        really? Where does it?
        Do you have the actual intelligence to READ/comprehend the Quran, or even the Bible or any other theological book, for that matter?

        • UncleVladdi

          “Where does the Qur’an disparage non-muslims,” you ask?

          On. Every. Single. Page.

          • SDLKJ

            REALLY?

            then WHY, brainless and balless ignorant twit that you are, does the Quern directly see Christ as its major prophet and rever him? why does the Quran talk about the Virgin Birth – that Mary is the ONLY woman called by name?

            Mohammad and the Arabs are descendants of Ishmael, which Islam claims Jesus said by their interpretation of Matthew 21:42-44

            In Islam, Christ (Isa) was a prophet who tried to bring the children of Israel to the worship of One God.
            Again – you’re extremely ignorant.
            Perhaps if you had some intelligence, you wouldn’t be as ignorant and bigoted as you are.
            Then again – your kind isn’t capable of intelligence, are you?
            BTW – were you born this ignorant or did you de-evolve to being this stupid?

  • UncleVladdi

    Re: “a supposed Muslim plot to conquer the United States:” the Quran is about global conquest.
    Re: “supposed Muslim treachery” Quran & hadiths recommend lying to infidels to advance islam.

    Re: “The author told Triad City Beat in an email: “For my part, this document has been completely overblown and the idea that the [Muslim Brotherhood] has some sort of plan to Islamicize and take over the West is ridiculous in the extreme.” No, it’s all clearly right in there.
    Why would you quote Alison Pargeter, instead of simply posting the document’s talking points?

    Re: ““It’s a little bit scary that they speak of violence and committing murder in open forums,” he (Eric Ellison) said. “I guess we realize that terrorists come in all forms and fashions.”

    Muslims constantly speak of committing violent murder in open forums. People who realize they may have to at some point kill these murderers in self-defense are not murderous “terrorists.”

    Saying “I will kill you for my god!” is a criminal threat.
    Saying “If you try, I may have to kill you!” is a warning.

    Finally, many of Ibrahim Hooper’s CAIR minions are themselves convicted terrorists.

    Next time you want to slander people who want to defend them selves and innocent others, at least try to do some basic research first, eh?

    ;-)

    • SDLKJ

      and yet you have proven NONE of your ignorant accusations.
      Interesting, and sadly ironic, that intelligent educated people have shown exactly the opposite of your stupidity.

      • UncleVladdi

        Pst! Google is your friend! To find proof of islam being nothing more or less than a global extortion-racket and crime-gang out to violently conquer and enslave the entire world, all you have to do is ask the Internet. That way you won’t be able to accuse me of making it all up.

        On the other hand, simply declaring my valid, fact-based accusations of it to be “ignorant” and “stupid” without actually asking me to prove them, only demonstrates YOUR own stupid preference of remaining ignorant.

        ;-)

        • SDLKJ

          I depend on established LAW + that of the US Constitution’s 1st and 14th Amendment, not your kind’s total ignorance and bigotry – something you and your band of bigots are proud of showing how stupid you REALLY are.

          BTW – skippy, since you lack any IQ or semblence of intelligence, I would say you do NOT have the comprehension ability to understand the following:

          Effective July 21, 2015, new guidance (PA-2015-001 (PDF)) in the USCIS Policy Manual clarifies the eligibility requirements for modifications to the Oath of Allegiance.

          Reciting the Oath is part of the naturalization process. Candidates for citizenship normally declare that they will “bear arms on behalf of the United States” and “perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States” when required by the law.

          A candidate may be eligible to exclude these two clauses based on religious training and belief or a conscientious objection. The new guidance clarifies that a candidate:

          May be eligible for modifications based on religious training and belief, or conscientious objection arising from a deeply held moral or ethical code.
          >>>>Is not required to belong to a specific church or religion, follow a particular theology or belief, or to have had religious training in order to qualify.<<<<<<<
          May submit, but is not required to provide, an attestation from a religious or other type of organization, as well as other evidence to establish eligibility.

          Now, skippy – you want to try your total ignorance and stupidity again or keep showing everyone just how much of a total MORON you REALLY are?

          • UncleVladdi

            What does that babbling spew mean? That you think criminal muslims must obey the Constitution because they have to take an oath to do so, or that they aren’t required to take the oath at all, under some sort of religious dispensations?! Or… “both!”?

            First, muslims’ own Qur’an insists their lying fraud of a crime-god wants them to lie to everyone all the time anyway; lying is “holy.”

            Second, islam isn’t a religion, and so isn’t protected by the US Constitutions’ First Amendment Establishment clause.

            Third, the only no-religious-test is for President & VP offices.

          • SDLKJ

            “Islam isn’t a religion, and so isn’t protected by the US Constitutions’ First Amendment Establishment clause.”
            really? says who? a total ignorant moron like YOU?
            ROTFLMAO

            The 3 Abrahamic RELIGIONS are:
            Judaism (seventh century BCE),
            Christianity (first century CE)
            Islam (seventh century CE)

            And since you lack any intelligence – An Abrahamic religion is a religion whose people believe that the Hebrew patriarch Abraham and his descendants hold an important role in human spiritual development.

            Now, you little ignorant twit – the US Constitution IS the law in this country, not ANY religion, much less your totally moronic and ignorant pov.

            And the 1st Amendment NO ESTABLISHED RELIGION applies to ALL CITIZENS in this country.

            Try your stupidity again, skippy – you keep on proving to all just how IGNORANT you REALLY are.
            Maybe that’s why your kind ALWAYS loses in court to us – you’re THAT stupid. – you can’t even read/comprehend the US Constitution –
            But intelligence has NEVER EVER been your strong suit, has it?

            BTW – did you even graduate from grade school? Or were you too mentally impaired to?

          • UncleVladdi

            The non-Establishment clause was designed to make sure no particular CHRISTIAN religion became the only State Religion.

            Further, the First Amendment doesn’t define a “religion.”

            Free speech ENDS at death-threats.

            Ask your self this:

            Are hate-speech death-threats

            (i.e: “Kill the infidels wherever you find them!):

            a) crimes;

            …or,

            b) protected religious freedom of speech!

            ????

            Similarly, is this:

            “GOD TOLD US TO COMMIT THESE CRIMES!”

            a) a pathetic criminal alibi which should be ignored;

            …or

            b) a perfectly acceptable part of one’s protected religious rights!

            ?????

            ;-)

            Back over to you, “Skippy!”

          • SDLKJ

            sorry, brainless and ballless twit

            it’s NO RELIGION whatsoever. period.

            Doesn’t matter WHAT religion it is – NONE.

            Try your ignorance and stupidity again, ball less and brain less twit. You LOVE showing everyone just how stupid and ignorant you REALLY are.

          • Brien

            Why don’t you piss of with all your personal insults – if your arguments do not stand on their own, your ad hominems do not make them stronger.
            Islam is a religion, a religious ideology, a totalitarian system for all activities, social, legal, political et al https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/74439c8311c8ddb2b26047cd51ae35cd1259110056c5a41f20af4c8873ebbc46.jpg .
            It is founded on lies as are all religions, and was written for the expressed purpose of conquest and control.

          • SDLKJ

            ” the only no-religious-test is for President & VP offices.”
            wrong – it covers ALL elected OR APPOINTED positions of public trust in the country – ALL – whether it’s federal, state OR LOCAL.
            The 14th Amendment says that the states can NOT EVER make laws that discriminate against its own citizens and citizens of this country and that INCLUDES against someone’s religion.
            Try your ignorance and stupidity again, ball less and brain less twit. You LOVE showing everyone just how stupid and ignorant you REALLY are.

          • UncleVladdi

            Islam isn’t a “religion” (at all, much less one “of Peace!”) nor is “muslim” a “race” (at all, much less one of “Poor Oppressed People Of Color!”). Islam is only the world’s largest and oldest, ongoing extortion-racket CRIME syndicate, which blames a “god” for its holy-mobster “muslim” crime-gang members’ own criminal desires and actions. The only “religious” part in it, is where they say:

            “God told us to commit these crimes!”

            (CAPISCE?)!

            ;-)

    • Adam Ing

      You’re an idiot

      • UncleVladdi

        Facts hurt you leftopaths, don’t they?

        ;-)

  • shoupart

    Listening to this recording, it seems really clear why Trump’s lies convinced enough of the nation to vote for him: the lack of critical thinking. It’s incredible how this group feeds off each other- one throws out an unsubstantiated claims, and everybody else just seems to eat it up and believe it 100% without any evidence or research. Amazing.

    • Saxon Davis

      Hahaha! Nice. You think Trump was the biggest liar running for President? You didn’t notice that pants-suited gasbag on stage with him? Far more full of sh!t and corrupt than Trump could ever hope to be.

      • shoupart

        Sir, how DARE you talk about Mike Pence that way!

  • частный

    Being armed, having too much idle time on their hands, poor reasoning skills, and being angry by thinking someone else or some other group supposedly out to get them caused their own underachievement is a bad mix.

    And judging from the photo, sometimes age DOES NOT equal wisdom.

    • UncleVladdi

      If one is going to dedicate one’s life to doing good, the best place to start is by countering the worst example of evil: islam.

      Islam insists we have no right to accuse them of their crimes, and orders us to “Respect!” their mass-murdering child-raping Founder – “or else we kill you!”

      They also say it’s their holy right and duty to extort, enslave, and murder us all.

      Muslim extortion is the real crime here, not our legal, just and moral defensive defiance of it!

  • Michael Perret

    “These people start Christian organizations,” Jones continued. “They build churches. They build Christian schools. They work with the conservative right in this country to advance their own agenda. And the conservative right like Trump and Steve Bannon and that ilk, they’re all tied into this church stuff. The church helps them and they help the church.”

    Wait a second….

    • Christianity is neither mercenary nor militant; Islam is both.

      • jerryp

        What so-called Christian country had its president lie and attack Iraq?

        • Never heard of Salman Pak, didja? Of course, facts are meaningless to your ilk. Bigots disregard facts. And Sadam was in possession of Sarin & mustard gas.

          Shrub’s lie: “Islam is a great religion of peace.”.

          • jerryp

            Now you promote the lie. We have biological weapons-should we be attacked?

          • You appear incapable of discerning the difference betwen aggressor and defender.

          • BenFE8

            let’s see – GW was the aggressor, wan’t he?

          • jerryp

            correct and he based that aggression on a lie

          • False and your narrative is the lie!

          • jerryp

            We backed the same Saddam in his war with Iran. Then we turned on him to appease the gods of war for no reason. Even Trump knows the truth about the unjust war that eventually led to the formation of ISIS. Silly people like you then reject the truth because it does not suit you. So just go on wearing proudly your badge of lies.

          • Truth: Islam is an autonomous war machine set in motion by Moe in the seventh century for the purpose of financing his survival and that of his family through plunder.

            Its casus beli is not belonging to it. The conditions that precede attack are proximity and weakness.

            I take no stock in Baker, Kissinger, Allbright and the other Machivellian jerks who think “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Unlike them, I understand the ancient Arab proverb popularized by Leon Uris: “Me against my brother”… .

          • UncleVladdi

            So what? You’re describing relatively tiny battles within the war which was declared by Muhammad against all of humanity over 1,400 years ago. So sure, maybe Bush attacked Iraq first, in recent timees, but then again, Iraq is part of the muslim ummah which was conquered and invaded by islam and stolen from Greece Rome and Byzantium first.

            Since islam is always in a state of perpetual offensive aggressive war against all that is not-islam in the world, forever, then it doesn’t really matter if and when we choose to by definition counter-attack them – they, by only their own rules, are ALWAYS guilty of the initial violent aggression, and so are also ALWAYS subject to our just, even if belated, defensive counter-attacking reprisals!

            Get it?

            Attacking any or all of islam’s holy-mobster muslim gangsters anywhere on planet earth, at any time, is NEVER A CRIME!

          • It is under the laws of the USA, Unk. Our regime does not recognize the ongoing war and awards legal protection to citizens and resident aliens even though some of them are enemy combatants.

          • UncleVladdi

            So what if some delinquents haven’t been paying attention – or, worse are complicit muslims (see “Obama regime”) themselves?

          • Legal consequences: arrest, trial, conviction & incarceration.

          • UncleVladdi

            Oh, so you’ve come around to my point of view?
            Usually you say “It’s a war, not a criminal matter!”

            ;-)

          • No, Unk. For the sake of clarity: Muslims are engaged in perpetual war against the rest of the human race. Our governments do not recognize that war and are not prosecuting it. For individuals and militias to attempt to prosecute that war, except when immediately under attack, entails criminal penalties.

            Assault, battery, murder, arson and malicious destruction of property are violations of law regardless of the identity of the victim.

          • UncleVladdi

            If someone sneaks into your home, you’re allowed to use violent force (aka “assault” and “batter” them) to effect their removal. If they have been known to previously threaten you and yours with death, there is no legal duty on you to adhere to their time-table and wait for them to initiate any further violent force; they can be killed (not “murdered,” as you put it, since ‘murder’ involves unjustified killings of innocent others). And property destruction is also one’s right (just ask black mayors LOL) including by application of arson, if for instance someone else parks their tank on your front lawn, and further it can be whether or not one does so while feeling any particular emotion (ie ‘malice’) or none at all.

            Government is supposed to be the servant of us individual citizens, (not our master) acting as the largest collectively-owned insurance company. is a great idea if and when it doesn’t compete with (much less pre-empt) private enterprise; it’s OK for the government to buy food to feed the poor, but not to demand that only it is qualified to regulate food growing everywhere, much less to restrict and deny private individuals from growing or stockpiling their own food.

            Same goes for defending every other need: government can defend the country, but not restrict the citizens’ rights to also own and bear their own arms to defend them selves; government can and should enhance private defense, but never replace it!

            Any “laws” to the contrary, are in fact merely ‘legal’ crimes!

          • In home invasion cases, the doctrine of reasonable force applies. Shooting the burglar can get you in front of a judge.

            The Muslim at large, not in your domicile, is not recognized by the government as an invader so an assault on him remains a criminal offense under the law.

            Likewise the mosque is not recognized by the government as a rajab so burning it constitutes arson under the law.

          • UncleVladdi

            Your-home-is-your-castle laws exist in some states, not in others.
            It doesn’t matter what ‘the government thinks’ when it’s complicit.

          • Shoot a wet back who should have been deported and see what the prosecutor decides. The doctrine of excessive force can still apply.

          • UncleVladdi

            Depends if said wetback was burgling your house at the time, no?

            ;-)

          • Not if the prosecutor can convince a Jury that you could have driven him off with non lethal force.

          • UncleVladdi

            You are using the fallacy “argument from Authority” by positing that only what a gang of self-interested politicians say is the real law. I am using logic: Who says one is under any obligation to someone who is attacking you, at all? Proportional force is nonsense! Only the victim is constrained by it: A mugger throws a punch, and you are limited to … what? Merely blocking it? *Maybe* even throwing one (but only one, and it’s force must be carefully gauged by you to be no more than the one they threw first) back at them?!

            Similarly, if a criminal takes a few shots at you with a gun, then runs off – why shouldn’t you shoot them in the back as they flee? You cannot know their intentions (that’d be mind-reading!) So for all you know, their gun jammed or they ran out of bullets, and fully intend to hide behind the nearest parked car to un-jam it or re-load, and then sneak around from behind you to resume shooting and finish you off!

            The point here is: Once they have chosen to break the one and only real “social contract” aka the Golden Rule of Law, to Not Attack FIRST, that contract IS broken, and, having abdicated their responsibility to it, they have also thereby voided their own rights to be protected by it.

            Remember: When someone takes a poke at you or shoots at you, their own chosen intent is what defines their actions as a crime! There is no false civil-law test of whether any damage actually occurred; even if and when someone shoots a gun at you but misses, it’s not a case of “No Harm/No Foul!” but it’s still ATTEMPTED MURDER. Even “only” or merely attempted crimes, are still crimes!

            All you know, is you are faced with someone who HAS already decided to do you harm.

            They obviously aren’t willing to talk it through with you first.

            You therefore cannot any longer trust them – to either limit their physical attack to “mere” battery, or maybe kidnapping, etc – ALL you know is they are criminals intent on harming you!

            Therefore, you cannot be held responsible to guessing the extent of their intentions beyond what they themselves have already demonstrated: they mean to injure you, cause you pain, and destroy your body.

            You may therefore kill them – and it’s not “murder” it’s more along the lines of a just and moral execution, because like all state-sanctioned executions, it occurs after the fact of their having chosen to break the Rule and commit the crime.

          • The fleeing felon rule has sent some law enforcement officers to prison for using excessive force. In some jurisdictions you can shoot an armed hom invader inside the front door but not on the porch or in the yard.

            Mohammad Camel, whether on the sidewalk, in the street, a park or the shopping mall is not the same as the armed robber breaking in your door to plunder your home. Making the first move on him or setting his mosque alight is a felony offense. Paranoia does not generate a self defense alibi.

            Omar Mateeen, before he demonstrated hostile intent, was not fair game under the law. Once he drew his weapon and began firing, that status changed.

          • UncleVladdi

            Well, Muhammad’s islam and its sharia derivatives (notable the Hedaya) recognize “infidel lands” as foreign countries. As such, their clear intent is to make war on and withing them. Since war is criminal assault and attempted murder and mass-theft writ large, the laws regarding the criminal inside the front door apply to any and all “muslims” (hostile foreign combatants) already within your borders.

          • The laws apply to actions, not intentions. Had someone gone to a beer hall in Milwaukee in 1942 and shot some krauts, he’d have been prosecuted.

          • UncleVladdi

            But if that same someone had gone to that same beer-hall and shot some German soldiers in uniform, he wouldn’t have been, amiright?

          • But there were none there in uniform. By the same token, a colonial freelancing in Boston in 1776 would have been prosecuted.

            Bisonet is up on murder charges ‘cuz Turdeaiu’s regime recognizes neither the enemy nor the war.

          • UncleVladdi

            Muslims don’t obey normative international war conventions; they are all about the deceit in war and don’t wear uniforms, preferring to pretend they are all innocent civilians unjustly attacked.

          • That is why the government must expell all of them but it does not excuse attacking them first.

          • UncleVladdi

            By their own rules, it is impossible to attack any muslims “first.”

            Muslims believe God is jealous of his uniqueness and so will never choose to let us ascend to his level, to ‘become as gods’ as the Jews believe, or as His beloved sons, as Christians do.

            Muslims believe God won’t (not that He can’t, but that He never will) improve us, only treat us as disposable toys.

            Muslims thus slander their allegedly ‘perfect’ god, having no hope in a future in which anything will ever improve, and although they also declare Him to be unknown AND unknowable, they also hypocritically insist that they know He will never love them.

            They thus choose to focus on the static idol of what is, refusing to even try to improve this world because to do so would be to offend their god as they try to do better than him, which will incur his jealous wrath and ‘force’ him to undermine their efforts, to further deceive them, and cast them into an even worse level of hell anyway.

            Therefore in islam, their god IS the devil, and their version of a devil is the still quiet voice of false hope (God).

            They don’t really believe in a future any better than this one; even their paradise is full of pain and violence and they are subject to reincarnation – which fearsome state Muhammad said in his false pride he desired, as in
            “Screw you – I wanted to do that, too!”

            Islam IS Muhammad’s hypocrisy, and his Qur’an is only evidence of his trying to pre-empt his inevitable doom by Submitting to it – islam is the embodiment of pretending to control Muhammad’s fears BY causing those very same, worst-case scenario problems (antagonizing everyone else into attacking him) which cause the pains he feared the most!

            Therefore, by design, islam and its muslims ALWAYS attack first!

          • Unk, the Queen’s Counsel, Judge & Jury share neither your time frame, perspective nor knowledge of Islam. They focus on the immediate surface value. To them, shooting a mosque full of preying Muslims is malum prohibita.

          • UncleVladdi

            That’s why I will become world emperor by freeing everyone!

            “Everyone feels. Imagine if everyone thought.”

            – Bosch Fawstin –

            (….stay tuned….)!

            ;-)

          • Delusions of grandeur?

          • UncleVladdi

            Assessment of mere adequacy for the task at hand, at the moment LOL!

            (Besides, you got my Christmas card, didn’t you? What’d that tell you?!)

            ;-)

          • Ah, yes; the disenfranchised scion of the crown of Wallachia who might have a provenance problem per stirps, seeking the crown of the world in the age of democracy. Yeah, right ;)

          • UncleVladdi

            It’ll all work out; trust me! I have a Plan! Besides, this is the FASCIST age.
            People will soon enough be wishing for my imperial monarchial stability!

            Imagine people listening in to the similar conversation of two scruffy 20-yr-old know-nothings on the train to Vienna way back when – only to find out later that the ambitious duo were named Vlad Lenin and Joe Stalin.

            OK – maybe not the best example, but I’m sure you get the gist of it!

            ;-)

          • Remove your blinders and lower your fact shields! Saddam Hussein facilitated the Accursed Abomination by providing training facilities to the Magnificent 19. He was the aggressor, not Shrub.

          • jerryp

            just depends what side you are on

          • I quote from Hedaya, volume 2, page 141: “Destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels although they be not the first aggressors.” Hamilton renders that as “Infidels may be attacked without provocation.” in a marginal note.

            Reliance Of The Traveller, Book O, Chapter 9.8 states that the caliph makes war on Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians provided that he has first invited them to Islam. That provision for dawah as condition precedent is echoed in Riala Chapter 30.2(b) and Hedaya 2.143.

            Islamic Jihad is aggressive, not defensive.

          • What people don’t get is that jihad is historically Islam’s normal way of expanding.

          • For ten years in Mekkah, Moe recruited by preaching with little success. Once he subverted Yathrib and became a ruler, he gained enough adherents to form an army, which grew rapidly after his first successful caravan raid. Islam’s growth spurt began when Moe became a military leader.

          • SDLKJ

            So, bigoted morons like yourself don’t use the Bible to justify YOUR hatred and bigotry?

          • Your vocabulary word for today is “whataboutery”.

          • SDLKJ

            what’s the matter? Can’t handle reality?
            So – question – just WHEN did religion EVER become the law over that of the secular US Constitution in this country?

          • Religion and law are not separated under Islam.

          • SDLKJ

            and just WHEN did any religion, regardless of what it is or whomever demands it, EVER become the law over that of the secular US Constitution in this country?

            NO religion is the law over that of the US Constitution – not Christianity, not Islam, not Judaism – NONE.
            All are equal – NONE above the rest, regardless of any demands from anyone at anytime.

          • Brien

            Why are Americans constantly putting Ten Commands on Court Houses, and IGWT on government vehicles and keeping the Bable and prayers in public schools, and have tax free privileges. America is still controlled by the fools from the bronze age.
            What is worse is that Islam has learned how to play the American game and will overpower the uneducated idiot Christians using the laws.
            You all do realise that by continuing to demand special privileges for your religion, here Christians, that you keep the door open for the Islamists to do exactly the same; and if you have been paying attention they are demanding a whole hell of a lot more, especially with their Sharia, and we all will have no option but to submit as we still live under the present slanted position of Christian precedence and dominance.
            It is highly suggested that we continue secularising our government and all public facilities, especially our schools.
            Secularisation will give us a solid, sensible and logical platform instead of making it look like some sort of absurd religious crusade.
            They will stomp all over us!!

            By secularising, you put a stop to Islam spreading throughout our society. Islam spreads by changing all the laws and traditions, and by force of its clerics (same as the Salem examples of control and fear)
            You would also have the added benefit of the non-religious stopping our continuing efforts to try to eliminate the absurd and unfair inequalities of religious privileges and special exceptions.
            This will not affect your ‘freedom of religion’.

          • SDLKJ

            any moron, like yourself, can take verses of ANY book of theology out of context to justify their total ignorance and bigotry. After all, your kind has been doing it for hundreds of years to justify slavery and hatred.

          • Hatred: wala wal bara: love and hate for the sake of Allah, part of the aquidah of Islam. Slavery: one of the purposes of Moe’s raids

            Out of context: the Qur’anic imperatives to attack and conquer are not out of context; they are timeless and without geographic limits. They are confirmed in hadith and codified in shari’ah.

            Name calling: the last resort of the ignornat bigot who has no facts or logic to support his prejudice. You stand exposed!

          • SDLKJ

            what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots who bastardize their religion into something it is not?

          • Brien

            That is actually pretty funny as it really does not make any difference what people cherry pick as all the religions are mythology and superstition. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e2116e0f92346cd22b1f5241443432f183a72a12d19c1d9fff75b4621b55ecb8.jpg

        • UncleVladdi

          But did they do so on specific commands found in the Bibles?

          ;-)

          See, there’s criminals in every religion, but in islam, the “holy” people are what everyone else sees as criminals, and the only “criminals” are the honest people who notice it and mention it!

      • Brien
        • Favor us with an exhibit of the New Testament book chapter and verse wherein Jesus Christ preached and exemplified holy war. Show us commandments, not metaphors, parables & allegory.

          Compare Mt. 10:14 to sahih Muslim 19.4294 and get a clue.

          • Brien

            No, it does not work that way.
            You are attempting to negate the violence and crap from the first book with a story that never existed.
            There is still no proof of any Jesus by any third party, objective, reputable historians from that period of time when he supposedly existed.
            Btw, all this violence was done in your Jesus’ name.

          • Brien

            No, it does not work that way.
            You are attempting to negate the violence and crap from the first book with a story that never existed.
            There is still no proof of any Jesus by any third party, objective, reputable historians from that period of time when he supposedly existed.
            Btw, all this violence was done in your Jesus’ name. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c86e57a43b57afaf220148a6352ccab8ab6cd42d5cd155ee0f835dd12fd5f682.jpg

          • Jews & Christians are not raising Hell on a national, regional and global scale “in the name of religion” as Muslims are.

            Christianity was co-opted by the Roman Empire and corrupted by venal clerics. It had a reformation.

            Moe said he was sent with the sword before the hour to see that none be worshiped but Allah. He said his provision was under the shade of his spear. He said he who testifies saves his wealth and life from me.

            Allah sanctifies, promises, commands and delivers terror. Moe bragged about winning with terror. Allah demands and Moe delivered genocide.

          • SDLKJ

            So, what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots who bastardize their religion into something it is not?

          • Klansmen, Democrats & AssWholes, the latter being the same term of endearment I apply to self-righteous LibTards.

          • SDLKJ

            So, just WHERE did Christ ever preach for us to hate, be bigots, and remain ignorant and stupid?

          • You confuse Jesus with Muhammad who did what you charge. You and your cohort are excellent emulators.

          • Brien

            Do you realise how stupid your statements are??
            We don’t give a shit what crap was written in your fable books. We already know the facts and history of ‘chistianity’. That is written in normal factual books.
            If you are going to write lies about your religion – do not expect people to believe what you write about Islam. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9de73ae87809eff80ce156a5ed2f025ac39da29858dd63de9e446422a3748999.jpg

          • You need to sober up or obtain a brain, likely both. Nothing done at any time, in any place by anyone else subracts from the evil designed into Islam which can not be reformed.

            Islam was created for the emolument of its founder through accrual of ganimah, fei & Jizya and perpetuated by his caliphs for their financial benefit.

            Argumentum Tu-Quoque was, is and will always remain a diversion, not a valid defense.

        • UncleVladdi

          The Spanish Inquisition was a secular payback affair concocted by the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella to root out muslims during the reconquest. Muslims had violently invaded, raped, genocided, and conquered Spain for nearly 1,000 years.

  • Astrid Einarsdottir

    Thank you for exposing these dangerous crazies. But they are only the tip of the iceberg.

  • stevem

    Hopefully the police are watching Frank del Valle closely.
    The rest too, but I guess being gullible isn’t illegal

    • UncleVladdi

      While you apparently think preparing to defend one’s self and innocent others from murderous criminals’ perpetual death-threats IS some sort of a “crime!” Right, Sport?

      You need to get a clue, so here’s a HINT for you:

      Saying “I will kill you for my god!” is a criminal threat.
      Saying “When you try, I will have to kill you!” is a warning.

      ;-)

      • stevem

        False premise. He didn’t say “When you try, I will have to kill you.” He’s threatening an unprovoked attack on innocent people.
        By your logic, IF saying “I will kill you for my god” is a criminal threat, then saying “my only recommendation is to start killing the hell out them,” and “I’m ready to start taking people out.” is a criminal threat as well.

        • UncleVladdi

          No, that’s the “unnamed” person mentioned in the article.

          Muslims (and islam itself) constantly threaten (criminally extort) all the non-muslim “infidels” in the world with being enslaved and murdered if we don’t convert.

          And it’s VERY DELIBERATE.

          Islamophobia is the official goal of islam itself. Islam openly endorses terrorism in order to foment a fear of muslims in all infidels. Their most official sharia manual, the Hedaya, openly proclaims that all muslims, even muslim toddlers, are to be regarded as “Objects of Fear!” by all infidels, to the extent that said infidels will all hurry to cross the street to avoid even said muslim toddlers!

          The Qur’an is what you’d get if Hitler had written the bible.

          The Qur’an is a clearly-written hate-crime expressing a permanent death-threat: it tells it’s muslim mind-slaves that they are in fact SO “superior” to all the non-members of their war and plunder cult, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being muslims!

          So “muslims” are nothing more than criminals, pedophile murderers who dress up in the robes and beards of religious men, waving fake bibles, yelling about “god” to cover up their criminal natures to get closer to their victims.

          And they back up their constant criminal threats with constant murderous criminal actions, too.

          The TV online and print media is constantly full of reports of muslim atrocity from everywhere on earth, every single day.

          The Qur’an and islam itself should be banned, and all muslims resisted and exiled, because everything muslims pretend to believe is “holy” is already a crime!

          The Qur’an is more than just another flawed book of confusing, contradictory superstitious nonsense, it’s evil.

          It should never be allowed by backwards people to be considered “illegal” to accuse these criminals (muslims) of their crimes, allegedly because the painful truth might offend them or hurt their feelings, and so “make” them commit even more crimes!

          No problem was ever solved by ignoring it, and we aren’t doing even any of these muslims (whose own ancestors were among Muhammad’s first victims) any favours by going along with any of their historic lies and alibi excuses for their crimes.

          Pretending islam is just another religion like all the others, hijacked by some con-men, is wrong.

          That’s only a parochial, Western-based and ethnocentrist approach to islam.

          Islam is NOT only a real religion which can be and is sometimes only occasionally misunderstood and/or taken advantage of by a few evil persons.

          It’s not also – as are all the other, “real” religions – only an opinion presented as a fact (i.e: only a simple case of delusive criminal fraud)!

          Islam is really an actual threat to everyone because IT says it is, not because we misinterpreted it.

          According to their own Eastern histories, islam has an official 1,400 year history of “holy” lies, extortions, robberies, tortures, arsons, kindappings, slaveries, rapes and 270 million murders: that’s OVER A QUARTER-BILLION INNOCENTS SACRIFICED TO ALLAH, so far!

          For a detailed breakdown of historical islamic depredations by region and era, just Google for: “Tears of Jihad.”

          Islam has a larger death-tally than that of EVERYONE ELSE, both secular and religious, COMBINED, and with an historical
          average of less than 1% of the global population to have committed it with, too!

          Do the math: 270 million divided by 1,400 is almost 200,000 per year, or over 500 per day, or over 20 per hour or about one person every three minutes being murdered by Muslims ever since Islam was founded.

          So, simply and precisely because of their “THOU SHALT KILL!” cultural indoctrination, MUSLIMS ARE STILL FROM BETWEEN FOUR AND SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES MORE LIKELY TO ENGAGE IN MURDER (and all other crimes,) THAN EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD!

          According to Paris-based Iranian sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar, “of France’s 64,000 prisoners, up to 60% are Muslim.

          (Muslims are thought to compose only 8% of the population.)”

          Based on data from 2011, Pew Research Center estimated that Muslims made up 9% of the 1,598,780 state and federal prisoners in the United States. Pew also reported that as of 2010, about 0.8% of the U.S. population was Muslim, up from 0.6% in 1990. Data allegedly provided by the federal Bureau of Prisons reported that, as of 1997, Muslims made up
          7.27% of the federal prison population.

          In other words, Muslims are overrepresented in the French prison population by 7.5 times their percentage of the population. In the United States, although their overall percentage is smaller, Muslims are overrepresented in the prison population by 11.25 times their percentage of the population.

          Here’s the most recent American prison-inmate-by-religion stats:

          US Inmate population religious preferences

          58% Christian
          29% Muslim
          13% Other (including Atheist)

          Since muslims are at most 3% of the total population in America, it’s obvious they are TEN TIMES more likely than their numbers would indicate, to be in prison.

          And I believe Americans in general poll at 80% Christian, so they are under-represented in prison, by at least 30% or one third less than one might have otherwise expected, based on population percentage alone.

          But it’s not surprising, really:

          ALL muslims are criminals: by their own rules, they must endorse in public every word in the Qur’an, which tells them that they are so “superior” to all non-muslims, that it’s not only their right, but also their holy duty to their god, to extort, enslave, and murder all the non-muslims in the world, simply for the “crime” of not being muslims:

          “Slay the non-muslims wherever you find them,” (Qur’an 9:5), “Strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip,” (Qur’an 8:12) and “Fight them until there is no unbelief and the religion, all of it, is for Allah” (Qur’an 8:39).

          And they have no choice – islam isn’t cafeteria catholicism, it’s all or nothing (sura 2:85) and so if they give evidence they aren’t toeing the line, the others must murder them for hypocrisy (4:86).

          • Great work, Unk!! I shared this one to FB suggesting it should be made to go viral.

          • UncleVladdi

            Thanks! And, oh, sure, Pepe and Blueburb upvoted YOUR response, but not my initial posting! Alright, youse punks!

          • I see that BB upvoted your post, Unk.

          • UncleVladdi

            Dats only cos I just called dem a punk LOL!

          • Yeah, right.

        • Western civilization is under attack and its elected leaders refuse to acknowledge that condition and name the aggressor. People are becoming outraged as a result. The reaction of Frank del Valle is ill considered but understandable.

          I do not blame Frank, I place blame where it belongs: with Reagan, Carter, Bush, Clinton, Shrub, Obama & Trump.

          • jerryp

            We all blame it on you

          • Muslim aggressors blame their victims.

          • jerryp

            So quit blaming other

          • Primary blame rests with the Imams & Mullahs, secondary blame with the Ummah and tertiary blame with those who refuse to eradicate and attempt to shield Islam.

          • Without Islam & Muslims there would be no Jihad and no Islamic terrorism.

          • jerryp

            Your are a genius in your own mind

          • Why keep on describing yourself, we already know what you are?

          • jerryp

            I thought you were 10 yrs old. Guess it is closer to five

          • Having neither facts nor logic with which to argue, you resort to insult, exposing yourself as an abject fool.

          • jerryp

            It seems I am dealing with the Anti Christ. Just as I thought.

          • Isa is the antiChrist.

          • jerryp

            So you and Isa are the Anti Christ’s

          • Islam inverts everything. Think of Messiah ad-Dajjal as the second coming of John the Baptist. ;)

          • jerryp

            Your comments start dumb and go downhill from there

          • You should probably take a drug holliday from whatever is causing your confusion.

          • jerryp

            Almost to the bottom-keep them coming Anti Christ

          • You brought prejudice to a fact fight and lost. You’d do well to slink home and curl up in a corner.

          • Brien

            Will you just shut up and get an education – start with the European papers. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/42cdc051307ffea495ff270ebb5a91267e727844924433d2f8d925cba2656df9.jpg

          • jerryp

            Fake news-quit dealing with the Anti Christ. And by the way, shut up

          • Brien

            What the hell is an ‘anti-christ’? This is more delusional crap made up by idiot humans.
            The more you speak…..(take your own advice)… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5a8365ca0d0a87ddbd861c2c555eb3202959606ecd544ac9fc05df5e7648f666.jpg

          • Find plenty of real news at Pislamonausea Central and Bare Naked Islam.

          • Begin your education with Guillaume’s “The Life Of Muhammad, The Qur’an, Sahih Bukhari and Muquaddimah. Finish with “A Summary Of Islamic Jurisprudence”.

          • SDLKJ

            what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots (like yourself and your kind) who bastardize the religion into something it is not?

          • Your unstated premise is as false and malicious as your express bigotry.

            Christianity is what Jesus taught and exemplified not the errors others have done after him.

            Islam is what Moe taught and exemplified. The Islamic State et. al. are salafis emulating his example. What Moe did is not extreme, it is normative Islam. Terrorism is normative islam.

            My ojection to Islam is fact based, not bigotry. The fatal facts of Islam are open on the face of its canonical texts. The Koran, hadith, sira & sharia form a clear and conguent pattern of evil which you can not refute.

          • SDLKJ

            what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots (like yourself and your kind) who bastardize the religion into something it is not?

          • Redundant idiocy previously answered.

          • SDLKJ

            poor ignorant troll.
            Still don’t have the intelligence that God gave a flea, do you?

          • You are what you accuse me of being!

          • SDLKJ

            We love your kind’s ignorance and stupidity

            That’s why we always manage to make a total ass of your kind in court
            Every time. Because you ARE that stupid and ignorant and bigoted

          • Ehibit your proof, genius! Prove to the jury that my evidence is inauthentic, not an accurate representation of the Islamic law as understood by the Ottoman Empire. Prove to the jury that it does not flow from the Qur’an & Sunnah!

            Why does Islamic law declare that “Destruction of the sword is incurred by infidels although they be not the first aggressors.”?
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a07246084dffc2a4f4a948c16711a702941a9e4cc0779aa367b4652da04364e3.jpg

          • SDLKJ

            and ignorant bigots like yourself blame others when you don’t have the intelligence to blame yourself for your own stupidity

          • Your projection reflects back on you, exposing you before the world. You condemn yourself.

    • SDLKJ

      gullible AND ignorant. Bad combination – but typical for their kind.

  • Brien

    ‘Islamophobia’ is a constructed word by the Islamists to tar a legitimate fear of a religious ‘invasion’.
    Stop using this Word!!
    We are NOT at fault as we watch the spread of Islam and the spread of crime throughout Europe.

    Guardian Australia

    • SDLKJ

      so, what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots who bastardize their religion into something it is not?

      • Klansmen, Democrats & AssWholes, the latter being the same term of endearment I apply to self-righteous LibTards.

        Your
        unstated premise: hijacking/twisting/perversion of Islam by
        ‘extremists’ remains false and malignant. Islam: terrorism is what Moe
        preached & practiced, not a deviation from it.

        • SDLKJ

          again -what do you call those who are extremist, uneducated so-called “Christian” bigots who bastardize their religion into something it is not?
          you were right re the KKK but you forgot to include uneducated ignorant bigots like yourself who don’t have the intelligence to read/comprehend the US Constitution and you forgot to include the GOTPers, evangelicals and fundamentalists who preach hate and ignorance from the pulpits while hypocritically proclaiming themselves as a Christian.
          But you don’t have the intelligence to understand that, do you? You’re too busy being a hypocrite and preaching/spreading hate and ignorance instead..
          btw –

          • How do you keep your keyboard clean? You are so full of feces its coming out your finger tips.

            I have a BA° in political science. I passed a constitutional law course.

            Muslims preach hate and war, we preach resistance. The difference seems to escape LibTards.

            If you read the two sahihs, you would know about love and hate for the sake of Allah. Muslims must hate what Allah hates: disbelievers. Examples of hate speech: “worst of living creatures”, “sons of apes and swine” & “Allah’s curse be upon them”.

            Instead of reading the Qur’an & hadith, getting a clue, you exhibit your bigotry, proclaiming it from the pillar of ignorance and exposing your LibTardation.

          • SDLKJ

            You “passed” a constitutional law course

            ROTFLMAO

            I had basic con law as a 1L
            In law school
            In fact constitutional and criminal law are my specialities and have been for 30+years
            That’s why I love your kind’s ignorance and stupidity
            You’re so easy to make a fool of in court—you’re that stupid and ignorant
            And that’s why WE always win

          • So why is one of your obvious brilliance & acumen reduced to smear and calumny in attempting to defend the worst evil in the world?

  • DRJ

    The United States is infiltrated by a DEATH cult. We, need to pray and repent ourselves and God will work this out for His Glory!

    • SDLKJ

      the only death cult are those ignoramus uneducated bigots such as yourself who don’t have the intelligence to read nor comprehend the US Constitution.

      • Islam is a death cult! Many have seen or heard the statement that “We love death more than you love life.” Muslims say that because it is their philosophy. If you had enough ambition to read Surah At-Taubah, you could discover that to them, this world is but play and passtime, the real deal is in Jannah after they die. Admission to Jannah is the “supreme success” and the ticket price is being killed fighting in Allah’s cause. I didrespectfully direct the attention of doubters, dissenters & deniers to 9.111, 9.38-39 & 61.9-12 to obtain vital clues.

        • SDLKJ

          Gotta love uneducated bigots such as yourself who don’t have the intelligence to read nor comprehend the US Constitution, much less understand world religions and theology.

          • Narcisism is common among LibTards. You exemplify arrogant narcissism.

          • SDLKJ

            The ONLY narcissism is toward taking down uneducated bigots like yourself who don’t have the intelligence to read/comprehend the US Constitution and understand the concept of equality and freedom under the LAW.

          • Equality & freedom are for citizens and lawful resident aliens, not foreigners. Non-resident aliens have no constitutional advantage.

            Islam is entirely incompatible with the constitution! It does not allow free speech, freedom of religion or gender equality. It considers the life and wealth of infidels to be forfeit to it.

            I disrespectfully direct doubters, deniers & dissenters to “Reliance Of The Traveller And Tools Of The Worshiper”, Book O where they can obtain clues. .

          • blackbart

            Show me where the constitution or the Amendments or the bill of rights apply to non-citizens…..in the constitution. Thanks.

          • blackbart

            Hey SDLKJ, ……you didnt actually make an arguement. Just ad hominem attacks. What are they teaching in school these days?

    • Brien

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f7fd4665e0f1478675d27d2323d9cb74d7e33ee2779623458409bba4dfe7a83e.jpg
      The Bible is a compendium of fire side tales and fables recounted orally for generations by goat herders and primitive tribes, until writing was invented and then again many different sources and versions were written down.
      There were no grand central universities to organise the many various versions of these origin stories.
      They were for entertainment and to answer the many mysteries of our universe since there was no science yet.
      This is the old Testament.
      The ‘new’ Testes is also hearsay since these letters, ‘gospels’ and stories were written by the loyal faithful, not by objective historians at that particular time, or by any contemporary writers, and written many years after the supposed events of this mythical Jesus. Thus, there is no verifiable evidence of a Jesus.
      Then many of these stories, not all, were compiled by one self-absorbed converted Roman Emperor for his expressed purpose of conquest and control of the people of Europe. He recognised that this was the perfect religion/mythology for domination of the populace. Half the stories were ignored by the Nicean Bishops and none have been proven to be based on fact.
      This ‘Bible’ is backed up by absolutely no facts and evidence.

  • Beatrice Griffin

    What, if anything, is being done about this? I haven’t heard anything since the call for the FBI to investigate.